In another well known Orthodox Forum, which shall remain nameless for now, I was censored today for pointing out the true facts that the Communists created the Moscow Patriarchate and that Pat. Alexey II is one and the same with Agent Drozdov. Interesting how people are afraid of such facts, more so than Monophysitism, Ecumenism etc.
Joe Zollars
How sad Joe. Even worse that they called it slander. I guess truth is the enemy of ecumenists and to modernists "slander" just means "truth that we want to ignore and pretend does not exist."
In fact, in calling you a slanderer, they have truthfully slandered you! 
Joe,
That's not why you were censored and how immature of you to whine about it on this forum instead of taking it up with the administrators of the other site.
anastasios
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Why was he censored, Anastasios? Can you post a link to the offending post?
Seraphim
Normally I would not cite members of my board on other boards but since Joe brought this up himself, I will post this.
Originally Joe wrote as part of a longer post:
"wow this really is interesting. an 80 some year old pole getting into a word game with a KGB agent masquerading as Patriarch. Very interesting.
My question is why not return it to metropolitan Valentine instead of the commie Church?"
One of OCnet's global moderators, David (OCA), edited this to read:
wow this really is interesting. an 80 some year old pole getting into a word game with Patriarch ALEXY. Very interesting.
My question is why not return it to metropolitan Valentine instead of the Moscow Patriarchate?
Yes it was good that it was not in Russia at the time of the Revolution or perhaps it would have been shot up just like the bodies of the great Royal Martyrs, bt at the same time it should simply be taken back (even just accompanied by a prelate to watch over it). No it should not be sent FedEx. how tasteless.
However I say we just let them figure it out on there own. Geesh don't any of us have anything better to do with our lives? I mean the cubs are playing in like 4 hours. don't you think its time for an Akathist?;)
Joe Zollars
I fixed your slanders, Joe. You may want to watch your tone in referring to ecclesiastical bodies you disagree with. It is just as easy for someone here to refer to ROCiE as prideful schismatics outside of the church who only want to stir up trouble. Of course you may express your viewpoint, but not in insulting hierarchs of The Church.
So what we had was 1) an insult on the Patriarchal Status of His Holiness Patriarch ALEXY and 2) an insult on the Moscow Patriarchate as the "commie Church."
While I am not exactly a big fan of Patriarch ALEXY I certainly think that it is rude to refer to Church hiearchs and Orthodox jurisdictions on an Orthodox forum in such a manner. As you can see, David meerly toned down the insulting phrases while allowing the message of Joe's post to go through. In other words, Joe is free to expound his message as long as he does it in a way that is not rude.
I once approximated Joe's error by raggin on ROAC to Juliana (but in that case it was all part of a humorous feud between us, and I did apologize and stop doing it). However, nowadays while I disagree with ROAC I would not run around calling it names.
And in case anyone wishes to turn this into a "you modernists are so judgmental" thread, please also note that I just spend two posts correcting a poster who called Met Cyprian "fanatical." As I have stated before, I am sympathetic to Old Calendarists but at the same time on OCnet we don't tolerate direct assaults on Orthodox hierarchs, even if they are suspicious.
anastasios
Disclaimer: Many older posts were made before my baptism and thus may not reflect an Orthodox point of view.
Please do not message me with questions about the forum or moderation requests. Jonathan Gress (jgress) will be able to assist you.
Please note that I do not subscribe to "Old Calendar Ecumenism" and believe that only the Synod of Archbishop Kallinikos is the canonical GOC of Greece. I do believe, however, that we can break down barriers and misunderstandings through prayer and discussion on forums such as this one.
it is a fact that patriarch Alexy is a KGB agent. It is also a fact that the MP was run by the communist government. You know, that whole sergianism issue. How can facts be insults?
Well I guess y'all have figured out that the nameless "other Orthodox forum" was oc.net. I wasn't going to mention it but since you brought it up......
Joe Zollars
Joe,
That Alexy II was a KGB agent (what that means could be many different things, as many people joined the KGB in order to take suspicions away from themselves) does not make him the "KGB masquerading as Patriarch of Moscow." Obviously he is the Patriarch of Moscow. We are not Donatist heretics who think that a sinful person cannot confer mysteries. Also he could have repented to his confessor. You just don't know. So judging him is a sin.
Sergianism, on the other hand, is not a fact. It is one interpretation of what happened when the communists infiltrated the MP. For a completely opposite account of what happened, try reading Dimitry Pospielovsky's work The Orthodox Church in the History of Russia. You will come accross with a different understanding of the issue than you would if you limit yourself to anti-Sergius propoganda on the internet.
That the MP was controlled by the communists does not make it the commie church anymore than the Greek Church being controlled by the Turks was the "Turk-controlled Church." Sure they influenced it but it retained its character as the Church of Christ and your insults make null the suffering of the Orthodox Christians who stayed in the MP and suffered under communism just as much as their catacomb bretheren.
anastasios
Disclaimer: Many older posts were made before my baptism and thus may not reflect an Orthodox point of view.
Please do not message me with questions about the forum or moderation requests. Jonathan Gress (jgress) will be able to assist you.
Please note that I do not subscribe to "Old Calendar Ecumenism" and believe that only the Synod of Archbishop Kallinikos is the canonical GOC of Greece. I do believe, however, that we can break down barriers and misunderstandings through prayer and discussion on forums such as this one.
