Agenda for a Future Pan-Orthodox Council

[Philaret]

Charlemagne? Leif Erikson? I'm baffled. It's been over 30 years since I studied Charlemagne, but I'm confident that he was no Orthodox saint. Why Charlemagne?

[Philaret]

And why do you not list Cyprianism? Regardless of the current assessment that it never was a heresy, the fact remains that it was condemned as such by multiple synods, including the one that came into union with it. Without a clear repudiation of Cyprianism, any future Pan-Orthodox Council will be a failure.

[Philaret]

I am unaware of the GOC-K synodically rescinding the condemnation. Can you please direct me to where I can find it?

As far as the ROAC and RTOC condemnations being invalid, Cyprianism touched the whole Church and continues to do so. It is an assault on the unity of the Church. It needs to be dealt with by everyone in a serious manner.

[Theodore813]

One can hope for true unity in the Faith. Repentance is always at the foundation.

“Heal the schisms of the churches” as it says in our prayer books.

[Theodore813]

I am unaware of the GOC-K synodically rescinding the condemnation. Can you please direct me to where I can find it?

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

[Thomas_Deretich]

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

Is there any evidence that the 2016 Confession was actually singed by all the bishops as the weaker 2014 statement was? The ties to Jerusalem and Moscow show that the weak 2014 statement is what is being implemented and 2016 is not being implemented. I am shocked to see Haralampopoulos the Matthewite sound like a Cyprianite. Why are so many individuals betraying traditional GOC ecclesiology, which in neither Matthewite nor Cyprianite?

[Theodore813]

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

Is there any evidence that the 2016 Confession was actually singed by all the bishops as the weaker 2014 statement was? The ties to Jerusalem and Moscow show that the weak 2014 statement is what is being implemented and 2016 is not being implemented. I am shocked to see Haralampopoulos the Matthewite sound like a Cyprianite. Why are so many individuals betraying traditional GOC ecclesiology, which in neither Matthewite nor Cyprianite?

I received confirmation from Bp Benedict that it was signed by all the bishops in attendance at the meeting. You’re free to email him or call him so you can call him a liar.