A popular revolt against the EP is starting ....

[Jean-Serge]

The question of the popular revolt is more complicated. There was the protest by the Athonites after Benedict XVI's trip to the Phanar in 2006. After this, the confession of faith against ecumenism and now this letter. Practically, these actions led to no change because they failed to do the ultimate action that is breaking communion, at the same time as they repeat breaking communion is possible. My opinion is that they are firing with blank cartridge or simply acting as a smokescreen to make people believe fight within within is successful.

[Maria]

The question of the popular revolt is more complicated. There was the protest by the Athonites after Benedict XVI's trip to the Phanar in 2006. After this, the confession of faith against ecumenism and now this letter. Practically, these actions led to no change because they failed to do the ultimate action that is breaking communion, at the same time as they repeat breaking communion is possible. My opinion is that they are firing with blank cartridge or simply acting as a smokescreen to make people believe fight within within is successful.

A website stated that any cleric who signs this document might be subjected to clerical suspension.

We must pray.

Αρχιερείς απειλούν ιερείς για τις υπογραφές εναντίον της “Νέας Εκκλησιολογίας του Πατριάρχου Βαρθολομαίου”

Η “Κατάνυξη” βρίσκεται για άλλη μια φορά στο μάτι του κυκλώνα. Αυτό δεν μας εμποδίζει να σταθούμε με παρρησία στην πρώτη γραμμή. Με απόλυτη συναίσθηση της ευθύνης των θέσεων μας προβαίνουμε στην παρούσα ανάρτηση για να πληροφορήσουμε τον πιστό λαό του Θεού και σύσσωμο τον κλήρο για την απίστευτη πολεμική που έχει ξεσπάσει από Αρχιερείς εναντίον των Ιερέων που υπέγραψαν το κείμενο κατά της ”Νέας Ἐκκλησιολογίας τοῦ Πατριάρχου Βαρθο­λομαίου”.

Ενημερωθήκαμε από τους ίδιους τους ιερείς, τους ηρωικούς πρωταγωνιστές αυτής της εξέλιξης. Φυσικά, η συνειδητή απόφαση της υπογραφής, περιελάμβανε αυτό το ξεκάθαρο ενδεχόμενο...

Καθίσταται λοιπόν σαφές πως με ακραίες μεθόδους διαποίμανσης που παραπέμπουν σε παπικό Μεσαίωνα, Αρχιερείς της Ορθόδοξης εκκλησίας, “μεθυσμένοι” από το κρασί της φαντεζί συμπροσευχής του Φαναρίου, επιβάλλουν στρατιωτικό νόμο στα σπλάχνα της Εκκλησίας.

Google Translate follows:

• Hierarchs threaten signatures against priests "New Ecclesiology of Patriarch Bartholomew"

  The "devotion" is once again in the eye of the storm. This does not prevent us to stand boldly in the forefront. With full awareness of the responsibility of our positions makes this suspension to inform the faithful people of God and united the clergy for the incredible controversy has erupted from Bishops against the priests who signed the text in the "New ecclesiology of Patriarch Bartholomew."

  We were informed by their own priests, heroic protagonists of this development. Naturally, the conscious decision of signing, included this clear possibility ...

  It is therefore clear that with extreme methods pastoral care mentioning papal Middle Ages, bishops of the Orthodox Church, "drunk" from the wine of novelty prayer Phanar, impose martial law in the bowels of the Church.

[Maria]

There is this positive sign:

The owner of a popular website who apparently used to be a part True Orthodox has posted this petition on his website.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/Petit ... lomew.aspx

Perhaps he has seen the Light and will return to us.

Many other sites have posted this petition including: http://lessonsfromamonastery.wordpress. ... rtholomew/

However, several popular Orthodox Christian Facebook groups (who support the EP) have deleted this petition.

Lord have mercy.

From this petition:

• To general astonishment, the final text of that Assembly proclaims about the “churches” of the W.C.C:

  Each church is the Church catholic, but not the whole of it. Each church fulfils its catholicity when it is in communion with the other churches…apart from one another we are impoverished.

  The Patriarch’s theological advisor, Metropolitan John (Zizioulas) of Pergamon, also considers any heretical or schismatic group that employs “baptism” of any kind to be within the church.

  Baptism creates a limit to the Church. Now, within this baptismal limit it is conceivable that there may be divisions, but any division within those limits is not the same as the division between the Church and those outside the baptismal limit … within baptism, even if there is a division, one may still speak of the Church.

  By arbitrarily widening the boundaries of the Church, Metropolitan John limits the field of heresy. According to him, every heresy that does not expressly contradict Symbol of Faith [the Creed], such as Monophysitism-Monothelitsm (the so-called Pre-Chalcedonians), Iconoclasm, anti-hesychasm, nationalism, etc. is part of the church:

  Heresy, meaning the divergence from that which is believed and confessed in the Creed by the Church, automatically sets one outside of the Church. The problem arises, however, from the moment this point of view becomes absolute.

  All the above seem to be the extension of an earlier suggestion of Patriarch Athenagoras, the mentor of the subsequent leaders of the pan-heresy of Ecumenism, who said:

  The movement toward unity it is not a matter of one Church moving toward the other, but rather let us all re-found the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church together, coexisting in the East and the West as we lived up to 1054 in spite of the theological differences that existed then.

[Maria]

If another source can be found for an article against the EP by St. Philaret of New York or St. John of San Francisco, please do post it.

We have to be very careful about posting anything on this site which could violate copyright rules or contribute to gossip.

In the meantime, a derail has been split off into the Moderation forum.