50th anniversary of anathema lifting: services worldwide

[Maria]

Do you have a link to this article?

http://www.catholic-sf.org/printer_frie ... p?id=62361

Here you go.

Thank you.

I have abridged the article you have posted to comply with copyright laws. Also I added the link.
In addition, I have merged your topic with one that was previously started on anathema lifting and ecumenism.
This topic needs to be monitored as a false union between the Vatican and the "Official" Orthodox may soon take place.

[Maria]

Over at NFTU, there is a new post regarding the 50th Anniversary of Anathema Lifting and the hype surrounding it:
http://nftu.net/ecumenical-patriarchate ... ncis-rome/

There are a few hard core World Orthodoxers who have bought the lie and who are saying that Ecumenical relationships between the Vatican and the EP are just photo-ops nothing more. Since they have apparently never attended a Vesperal Ecumenical Service sponsored by the EP and the GOARCH, and I did about 15 years ago, they cannot fathom what goes on, and how Orthodox clergy are so willing to deny their faith to be accommodating. What I witnessed was horrific. Women priests from the Methodist, Lutheran, and Anglican denominations were allowed to delete any references to Father, Son, Master, Lord, King, etc. in our Orthodox prayers. Their feministic male counterparts also deleted these "offensive" male names. Yet, these heterodox clergy were allowed to stand on the Solea where they read neutered prayers at St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Los Angeles, California. Is this a scene out of the past that is not going to be repeated? Do not hold your breath.

These EP Vesperal Ecumenical Services are ongoing especially in Europe. However, there was a recent Vesperal Service in Northern California during Great Lent 2014 sponsored by the Greek Orthodox Diocese of San Francisco. http://nftu.net/greek-archdiocese-rc-ec ... continues/

Lest you think that this was unique, in Irvine, California, at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, ever since 2000, there has been a Catholic-Orthodox Book Study, where people from different Christian denominations, not just Catholics, but also Protestants, gather together monthly to pray together and to discuss theological books written by the Orthodox and the heterodox. Here is proof: http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/bookclub.html. In addition, the Orthodox Christians in Irvine, California are also sponsoring an Ecumenical Event at the end of May, 2014. I am not going to link to any of their fliers or press releases for this event as I do not want to advertise it unwittingly. That would be a sin.

[Maria]

UPDATES:

Not only is the Pope bringing a Rabbi and a Muslim leader with him to meet the EP this May 2014, but also Pope Francis recently sent the Rev. Copeland greetings as a "brother Bishop" and then asked him to unite as one church. So, apparently Pope Francis does have an aspiration to become the New World Order religious leader.

Rabbi and Muslim leader story: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/05/15/ ... holy-land/

Rev. Copeland video:

There is also an EP Site where they are developing 8 new videos announcing the meeting with the Pope and insinuating that the ultimate goal will be a sacramental reunion where the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches breathe out of one set of lungs. So far at least five videos have already been produced with more being posted everyday on YouTube. See: http://www.apostolicpilgrimage.org/video

[Barbara]

Thanks, Maria, these are REALLY GOOD posts you made.

As for the Ecumenical "Vespers" at St Sophia Greek Orthodox Church in LA [I didn't even know
that church existed !], it's shocking beyond belief what you related.
I had NO idea that these involved all those revolting feminist stunts, and that the Orthodox clergy
went right along !! Which World Orthodox jurisdictions participated besides the sponsors you mentioned ?
Did the OCA send their local delegate ?
That would have been in the reign of Bishop of the West Tikhon [Fitzgerald]. Did he attend this
disaster ?
Any other jurisdictions that you recall ?

That is one of the most appalling narratives of ecumenical activity of which I have heard.

[Maria]

Thanks, Maria, these are REALLY GOOD posts you made.

As for the Ecumenical "Vespers" at St Sophia Greek Orthodox Church in LA [I didn't even know
that church existed !], it's shocking beyond belief what you related.
I had NO idea that these involved all those revolting feminist stunts, and that the Orthodox clergy
went right along !! Which World Orthodox jurisdictions participated besides the sponsors you mentioned ?
Did the OCA send their local delegate ?
That would have been in the reign of Bishop of the West Tikhon [Fitzgerald]. Did he attend this
disaster ?
Any other jurisdictions that you recall ?

That is one of the most appalling narratives of ecumenical activity of which I have heard.

Actually, the now retired OCA Bishop Tikhon of San Francisco was adamantly opposed to any interfaith prayer service even if it were to be held at St. Sophia Cathedral in the presence of the Ecumenical Patriarch (and that did happen). He refused to allow any of his choirs to participate even though they were all sent an invitation.

In addition, Bishop Tikhon immediately went to confession following his mother's funeral, which he went back East to attend. Then he publicly apologized to his parishioners and to us at the nearby parish for attending a Protestant service. Even though he is not an ecumenist, unfortunately he associates with those who are. Over at Monomakhos, he is on warm terms with Bishop Sergios of the GOC-K. Perhaps, through our prayers, he will convert to True Orthodoxy. However, he is one tough cookie.

[Barbara]

Ah. I didn't ever hear of him as an ecumenist, but the OCA can be SO wishy-washy that I figured
he may have gone along.
Glad he did not allow that, and avoided the EP Patriarch's service too, because of
being an interfaith service ? Or because of the Patriarch ? Or both ?

I very much like that Retired Bp Tikhon apologized for attending even one Protestant service ! That shows character.

When you say "one tough cookie", how do you mean ?
That Ret. Bp Tikhon would never convert to True Orthodoxy ?
Or in general ??
Curious.

I think I remember during the very short time I looked at Monomakhos that he ridiculed
anything similar to True Orthodoxy, and also was very pro union of Rocor and MP.
Did not see the danger of the MP at all and thought negative views about that union, celebrating
its 7th year this past week, sadly, were to be scorned.

Perhaps it's more of a social friendship with Bp Sergios than seeing eye to eye on anything regaring ecclesiology ?
Since Bp Sergios came from the OCA originally, and also attended St Vladimir's as did Bp Tikhon, they
might have much to talk about ?

[Maria]

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