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And I told you that God would never allow them to be saints if they had hatred in their heart. So the arguments that they were against them is wrong.

“They were against them…,” them meaning the Jews? They only stated facts… I cannot say more than that for the thread is locked.

What you read from my posts as “hatred” is merely a projection and product of your set of mind, but not the reality. You are using the jargon and tactics of the media, which is in fact spreading real hatred among their viewers.

For example, look at the times of after Jesus Christ's Resurrection when St. Paul was telling the slaves to be honorable with their masters. In that time, the issue of slavery was not a problem, but in our times we find it appalling. Can you at least grasp what I am trying to say? Please open your heart to other possible answers.

This is red herring. Slavery was part of the Roman Empire system. The Roman Empire is over now. But we had the “Jews” then, and still have them now with us.
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So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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Nadir,

During these times, it is extremely important to keep our focus on God, for only those who persevere in prayer, in good deeds, in faith, and in love will be saved.

Even though our godless enemies surround us, we must not lose hope, but must still pray and love our enemies, and hope for their salvation. Already, to the dismay of those who would like to destroy Christianity, many hard liner abortionists have repented and have come to Christ through our prayers. Indeed, many of those who were inside godless occultism have repented and are now alerting others of the dangers facing us. For our God is everywhere present, fills all things, and will ultimately save us if we trust in Him and do His Will.

Most Holy Theotokos, save us.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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NadirGP wrote:

joasia wrote:

And I told you that God would never allow them to be saints if they had hatred in their heart. So the arguments that they were against them is wrong.

“They were against them…,” them meaning the Jews? They only stated facts… I cannot say more than that for the thread is locked.

What you read from my posts as “hatred” is merely a projection and product of your set of mind, but not the reality. You are using the jargon and tactics of the media, which is in fact spreading real hatred among their viewers.

For example, look at the times of after Jesus Christ's Resurrection when St. Paul was telling the slaves to be honorable with their masters. In that time, the issue of slavery was not a problem, but in our times we find it appalling. Can you at least grasp what I am trying to say? Please open your heart to other possible answers.

This is red herring. Slavery was part of the Roman Empire system. The Roman Empire is over now. But we had the “Jews” then, and still have them now with us.
Nadir

I don't use any "tactics" of the "media". And you have no idea what my mind is set in, but I know where you are coming from because I was there. But, you have never been where I am. So, I have the view of both worlds. I'm speaking from an Orthodox mindset. Unfortunately, you can't understand what I'm saying. That is expected considering your background. Since YOU came HERE, you should at least consider what is being offered. STOP with the accusations and listen to what is being said. Can you at least consider that?

Can you possibly understand that there is more to it than you are used to thinking? That maybe there's something more out there beyond the world you live in?? That maybe you are in a mindset that is controlled by your upbringing? Our Orthodox view is way beyond the guilt-ridden Papal view. But, there's no way that you can understand it in a few weeks of posts.

I think you will need a few years to come to understand the spiritual motivation of us Orthodox Christians. So, please keep asking the questions, but please keep yourself from making broad accusations.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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“Save your soul”

Sometimes members of this forum, in their remarks to my posts, say that I should stick to what is spiritual thus ask questions relevant to Orthodoxy rather than on secular subjects such as “Usury”, “the Jewish People” and so on. ‘You should concern with saving your soul,’ is the leitmotif. Fair enough.

Nevertheless, how I do save my soul, if I do not do what I am supposed to be doing, namely, fulfil the task that has been assigned to me since my calling by the Lord many years ago?

What will the Lord say to me in the day of reckoning if, after all that grace and light was given to me, I did nothing but just buried it underground?

In the parable of the five talents, we read in the Gospel according Matthew 25:24-30, said:

[…] But he that had received the one talent, came and said: Lord, I know that thou art a hard man; thou reapest where thou hast not sown, and gatherest where thou hast not strewed. And being afraid I went and hid thy talent in the earth: behold here thou hast that which is thine.

And his lord answering, said to him: Wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not, and gather where I have not strewed: Thou oughtest therefore to have committed my money to the bankers, and at my coming I should have received my own with usury. Take ye away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him that hath ten talents. For to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: but from him that hath not, that also which he seemeth to have shall be taken away. And the unprofitable servant cast ye out into the exterior darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alternatively, hear it from the Lord but in a different version, although no less frightening:

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. Rev 3: 15-16

Or as Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:16, said:

For if I preach the gospel, it is no glory to me, for a necessity lieth upon me: for woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel.

Lastly, in James 2:18, we read:

But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.

Thus, my work is to serve the Lord in way He shows me since 1966.
My faith is to believe in Him and His Gospel and live accordingly.

The lowest point, Nadir

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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There is no salvation outside The Church. The Lord will ask you why you did not learn about Her when given the opportunity.
The people here are waiting for you knock on the door instead of tacking posters on it about irrelevant worldly things.
There is one thing needful, Nadir...

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Lydia wrote:

There is no salvation outside The Church. The Lord will ask you why you did not learn about Her when given the opportunity.
The people here are waiting for you knock on the door instead of tacking posters on it about irrelevant worldly things.
There is one thing needful, Nadir...

Lydia, we do not want to give Nadir the impression that we are Evangelical Protestants. :mrgreen:

We all must learn to be patient and pray for Nadir. Additionally, we must present such a good case for Orthodox Christianity that he will be willing to make a long trip to see an Orthodox Christian Divine Liturgy, and then be able to taste and see that the Lord is good.

In the meantime, there are some excellent videos on YouTube even by the World Orthodox that can be viewed by him. I am having great difficulty viewing YouTube videos as my ISP is not providing very good service thanks to Verizon's downgrading. Thus, I cannot provide any links. Any help would be appreciated.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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I have the same difficulty as you, Maria, with watching videos, so that exercise would be fruitless. Thank you anyway.

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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