Synodal Letter for the Serbian matter

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Re: Synodal Letter for the Serbian matter

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sava wrote:
Ekklisiastikos wrote:

NOBODY until now hasn't encountered the arguments of the encyclical!

Dear Ekklisiastikos,
It is truly remarkable that the Akakian group is left without arguments! They continue to restate the same slogans, like representatives of communist parties who repeat the same boring tape.

We have the arguments but since you didn't bother to read them ( as it's usual now days with Greek clergy :wink: ) I am going to post them again fragment by fragment hopefully this wont be hard for you to read.

''Serbia, Serbian Church and faithful children of Serbian Church have their religious needs and lead a struggle for their Serbian Church. In the beginning, they sought help from sister-Church of Greece, not suspecting that Greeks will spread their intentions to another Churchesterritory which is non-canonical act if done without invitation from local Church on the territory. They were called to help, but ONLY TO HELP, not to arbitrarily take over total power and control in canonical borders of another Churches territory since that is unlawful act! When those who struggle for Serbian Church understood the direction of these acts of Greek Church and where this lead them to, many times asked that this unnatural and non-canonical situation be changed and, when they received no positive answer, they turned for help to another sister – Church to RTOC.''

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''Serbs have no obligation to Greeks aside moral one: gratitude for so-far given help-which will always stand, as well as Greeks never had no obligation to Russian Church Abroad which helped them to restore episcopate and that is very clear.''

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Sava you and your friend eklisiastikos are very rude , your behaviour is unworthy of a Christian, you are saying now that we are like communists that's very nice, are all Greeks as nice as you are. And Eklisiastikos well he is just insolent and full of some 'above the situation Macedonia is Greek' stuff he'll eventually grow up. You see we were looking for true Church first among Russians , when we didn't find ROCOR on right track, with Christian humility we came to you, and we would do it again although you call us communist against who we are fighting every day. But we would NEVER BE Greek Church I would die before spiting on Saint Sava on who you are spiting now and my Serbian brothers who you are LYING because of your
wanna be Byzantine empire again complex, THIS WILL NEWER HAPPEN. You can erase us with your democratic ways and paperwork but HEAVENLY SERBIA still exists and waits for us and you can't erase that, Not You, Not Arb Kalinikos, Not Smederevo parish, Not patriarch Irinej or Ecumenists - Nobody.
Now you are saying that RTOC is true Church and before while the Russians were receiving Holy Communion from your young bishops Arb Kalinikos was saying that they are not church but some group of people that's not even baptised :ohvey: . And now you are saying that we stopped this recognising no we didn't ARB KALINIKOS did and FEAR of your young bishops. I would rather be pagan then a democrat like you, you you have no word only what is written happened for you. For three years you WERE LYING to the Russians, and now YOU ARE LYING to the rest of the world.
Heh it is hard to argue virtually ...

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From the very beginning the status of Greeks was clearly stated: TEMPORARY HELP until the Serbs get their bishop.

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''The bishops of the Russian TOC are the successors of the once glorious Russian Church Abroad - a church so close to our Serbian People. Our Russian brothers, in our most difficult moments, offered unconditional help to their Serbian brothers. When we say unconditional, we mane to say that they have not the least intention of getting involved administratively with Serbian Church territory, with the organization and internal affairs associated with the rebirth of the Serbian Church. Their genuine brotherly love consists in providing the basic conditions necessary for the rebirth of the Serbian Church, of which the most important is the renewal of her episcopate. The only further involvement of the Russian TOC will be brotherly support in the sense of a good relationship between two local churches, including the very important aspect of consultation on questions of church administration, order of the Church services, and, in general, providing the wisdom already obtained through previous experience in church organization.''

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Ђура Јт wrote:

''Serbs have no obligation to Greeks aside moral one: gratitude for so-far given help-which will always stand, as well as Greeks never had no obligation to Russian Church Abroad which helped them to restore episcopate and that is very clear.''

Brother,

Today is the 29th yearly memorial of the blessed repose of Fr Seraphim ( Rose ) of the Platina monastery. Maybe if You have time and did not already do it, You can read the canon for the reposed for Him. This is a Man who built on a solid foundation and has left much splendid fruit world wide. He has helped tens of thousands craddle Orthodox ( atheists) become True Orthodox in both word and deed. Think about it for a while,what He would say about Your above statements and whether He would agree with the path You have currently chosen. Test the Spirits whether they be from GOD,not all spirits are from GOD May the Master grant You wisdom.

Everything for Christ GOD ,but Christ for nothing.
Orthodoxy or Death.
Death or Freedom faith in GOD

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Re: Synodal Letter for the Serbian matter

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Br. Ђура Јт no matter how much big letters you post in Euphrosynos you will never achieve to find solid gound to base fr. Akakios' schism. And that's the only truth.
The Holy canons and the virtue of obedience are against you, no matter how emotional your arguments are, no matter how many times you invoke Mr. Moss' nonsense about byzantinism etc...
Forgive us!

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