Union of GOC-Kallinikos and HOCNA?

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Union of GOC-Kallinikos and HOCNA?

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Dear Fathers, Brothers and Sisters,

As I have heard from a few different sources, the Metropolis of Portland and the West (HOCNA) will be in full communion with GOC-Kallinikos soon or His Eminence Metropolitan Moses becomes a member of our Synod. Is the entire Metropolis of Portland and the West automatically becoming a member of the GOC and if yes, remains the Metropolis in its present form, like it is now?
Or will it be a part of our american Metropolis under His Eminence Metropolitan Pavlos?

What's with the Rest of HOCNA? Are they entering communion with us either?

Thank you for your informations. :-)

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We haven't heard sth like that!
You can place your question here: "+ Photios" goc@otenet.gr,
to Bishop Photios of Marathon directly!

Here is Met. Moses' essay on the steps and principles of a future... union:
http://orthodoxmetropolisportland.org/a ... paper.html

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Thank you for your Reply, Εκκλησιαστικός!

It would be the best to cantact His Grace +PHOTIOS directly. :-)

I was not going to spread rumors and the like. I have only heard about it and wanted to know what is behind it.

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Χριστός ἀνέστη! Christos anesti!

It's not simply a rumor, but indeed a fact, that the H.O.C.N.A. is not Orthodox. So no genuine Orthodox ought to unite with them anyway, until such time as they publicly repent of their heresies.

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I'm one of those people, been reading Orthodox material for several years now.

My understanding of HOCNA is, they were New Calender Greeks (without the fullness of Orthodoxy, no toll houses, etc.), then switched to ROCOR, but ignored the entire Synod on many doctrinal issues often acting Greek elitists (as if they had been part of some pure Old Calendar Greek tradition to begin with) and would not unlearn their modernist starting points like "Western Captivity" and evolution. Then they, along with Deacon Puhalo, seem to have discovered the doctrine of Redemption according to the first Metr. of Rocor, which had basically been suppressed, and starting spreading it. Suddenly references to "Blessed Augustine" change to "the Neo-platonist philospher Augustine" and "greatest of heresiarchs". After that, the writings I've read just seem to breathe hate, of the entire Latin pre-schism West and even any mainstream Eastern Orthodox figure who could possibly be under Western influence like Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain, Theophan the Recluse, Ignatius Brianianchov(.sp?). Then they split off ROCOR, when the Abbot of the leading monastery comes under investigation, accusing ROCOR of suddenly being ecumenist, when the policies don't seem to have changed at all (at that point to my knowledge), seeing as even under Metr. Philaret they were considered "soft" by the Old Calendar communions (I believe one had to be tricked by the HOCNA group into communion with ROCOR for a brief time).

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/death/tollhouse_debate.aspx

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/review_azkoul.aspx

Hieromonk Patapios, which part of ROCOR did he go with, who wrote such excellent review of Ware's The Orthodox Church and The Orthodox Way?

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/review_toc.aspx

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/review_tow.aspx

Fr. Alexey Young (Hieromonk Ambrose), I think I read he is in a monstery in West Virginia, is that Greek (Constantinope) or Holy Cross Hermitage (ROCOR/MP?, as in the movie From the Little Mountain)?

Platina is under the Serbs, but are the Serbs themselves a Old Calendar part of the OCA?

At this point I'm considering whether I should just join "World Orthodoxy", as it is called here, which local to me, would either be OCA or ROCOR/MP based on various interpretations of prophecies that Russian Patriarchate and ROCOR are supposed to reunite after acknowledgement of New Martyrs.

I'm also interested in the Greek Old Calendar churches (other than HOCNA) in America. Do they consider themselves the only remaining Orthodox ("World Orthodoxy" without grace), or are "walled-off" in "resistance"? If ROCOR was the legit. successor of the de facto Russian lead unity of Orthodox in America, how can they not be considered in schism for not being part of ROCOR (before it supposed fall with the Vitaly and reunion with Moscow)?

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Re: Union of GOC-Kallinikos and HOCNA?

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Here you can see the heretic opinions of HOCNA, especially the Dogma of Redemption from the heresiarch Anthony Khrapovitsky (+1936), also about St-Augustine and many other topics. The HOCNA is a schismato-heretic body and parataxis. But Kallinikos Sarantopoulos, the succcessor of the Florinite Chrysostom Kioussi, will at any price the union with these schismato-heretics.

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Χριστός ανέστη!

I got the information there is NO "unification" between GOC and HOCNA, No communion, nothing.

And for sure, The Church of Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece under His Beatitude Archbishop Kallinikos of Athens and all Greece does NOT work together with any kind of heretic, shismatic or non-orthodox body. I do not want to hear false allegations like that.

And when a clergyman of another group joins true orthodox church, it does not necessarily mean to be communion with his former jurisdiction/group.

I only asked about a thing what I have heard.

God bless all true orthodox poeple!

In Christ

Constantinos

EDIT: I found an article on NFTU from today: http://news-nftu.blogspot.com/2011/05/m ... .html#more

Metropolitan Moses of Portland and Bishop Sergios of Loch Lomond have sent a petition to our Synod to be accepted as Bishops in the Church of G.O.C. of Greece. There you can read that these both want to left HOCNA to join the GOC-Kallnikos, cus HOCNA was fallen away from true orthodoxy in order to do uncanonical things.

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