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Rdr. Chrysostomos,

I see your point but I don't believe anyone has made personal attacks on Pat. Sergius, saying he was a sexual predator, land embezzeler, ect.

I would like Rostislav to back up with evidence any of his fearful accusations, which I have never heard before and without any corroboration I classify as pure fantasy (some rightfully call this personal attacks).

Father, if only you knew what the grabbes were about, let's just say they weren't an inspiration for anyone, except the likes of bill clinton. For instance, they arranged a sum of $2000000.00 pa to be sent to Synod from the wcc which they had a hand in administering. After the Sorrowful Epistles were issued, fr. gregory grabbe travelled to both +iakovos and athenagoras begging apologies and promising speedy rapproachment. His son, while administrator of the Russian Palestinian mission, AND A HIEROMONK, tried to embezzle properties and was known for seducing young girls around the mission, a sexual predator.

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Now to get this thread back on topic again!

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03 May 2006
State Duma deputy urges Russian Church Outside Russia not to doom itself to role of ‘ethnographic museum of gone civilization’
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=75

Moscow, May 2, Interfax – Natalia Narochnitskaya, a State Duma deputy and well-known historian, suggests that the Russian Church Outside Russia cast away doubts as to the advisability of restoring unity with the Moscow Patriarchate.

‘Today’s doubts are like temptations endured by a person who wants to adopt baptism but the enemy of humankind whispers into his ear: Wait, you are not ready; don’t do it today but tomorrow!’ Narochnitskaya writes in her article published in Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

However, she continues, there may no tomorrow. ‘At a time when all the forces in the world have united to prevent Russia from restoring her national and religious identity, Russian people cannot understand the virtue and ‘truth’ of a Church which cannot put away the secondary things and, instead of offering an embrace, asks to meet a bill.’

‘What kind of faith is it if there is no all-forgiving love in it; what kind of Orthodox are those who try to see the mote in a neighbor’s eye; what kind of love of Russia is it if it looks more like admiration for itself rather than for Russia?’ the author of the article asks.

She draws the attention of hesitant pastors and laity of the Russian Church outside Russia to the fact that today when ‘Christian Europe has surrendered without resistance and is going away, it is post-Soviet Russia alone, however paradoxically it may seem, that is revolting’.

According to Narochnitskaya, ‘it is sad to read those lay emigrants who, shutting themselves away in a ivory tower, endlessly reproduce and transfer to today’s Russia and Russians the notions of ‘the cursed days’ and demons of the 1920s. One should probably isolate oneself from reality intentionally and refuse to change anything in it to fail to see how different today’s Russians, Russia and her much-suffering Church are from the idea of them drawn up from antiquated clichés.

‘To reject with pride an superiority a hand offered today, to repel the hopes of Russian people who await the reunification of the family with sinking hearts and a children’s unreasoning joy would be a blow on Russia, the more so that it comes not from an enemy but from a brother. It will by an irremediable insult to the most sincere feelings of millions of people who have admired the feat of the Church Outside Russia but have not even suspected their own Russian brothers abroad to treat them with such disdain’, the author of the article believes.

In this connection, Narochnitskaya asks the question: ‘Will such a rejection devalue the feat once performed by the Russian émigrés who have preserved their Russian nature and faith in foreign lands and who preserved in their hearts ‘the Russia we have lost’ and remained committed to it in their love and faith?’

Do not then lose forever the true Russia which has survived through suffering and is now in a search’, she adds urging the Russian Church Outside Russia not to doom itself to ‘the role of an ethnographic museum of the gone civilization, to a reservation existence outside the theme of Russia and Russians in world history’.

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Excellent points Chrysostomos!

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Just to go back off topic for a second since Chrysostomos brings up an excelllent, excellent point ...

Chrysostomos wrote:

Perhaps then, more posts would be placed in the Praxis, Prayer, Liturgics and even Sacred Scripture, than World Orthodoxy with 6798 posts (2nd highest) and Traditional Orthodox Churches with 7123 posts.

I would love for this to happen. The forums in the Controversial Polemics are my least favorite forums and I wish as such that they received the least amount of posts. However, to be fair, many of the other forums did branch out from the Traditionalist Orthodox Churches forum because of the quantity of those types of posts they got their own sections.

Perhaps in seeing these facts come to light we can all focus on the Praxis, Prayer, Liturgics and even Sacred Scripture sections starting today, striving in making an effort to fill those sections full of spiritually effiable material?

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Excellent points Chrysostomos!

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But Nick, that wouldn't be any fun at all. Without polemics and controversy life is OH SO BORING!

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Re: Now to get this thread back on topic again!

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Νικολάος Διάκ wrote:

03 May 2006
State Duma deputy urges Russian Church Outside Russia not to doom itself to role of ‘ethnographic museum of gone civilization’
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=75

Moscow, May 2, Interfax – Natalia Narochnitskaya, a State Duma deputy and well-known historian, suggests that the Russian Church Outside Russia cast away doubts as to the advisability of restoring unity with the Moscow Patriarchate.

‘Today’s doubts are like temptations endured by a person who wants to adopt baptism but the enemy of humankind whispers into his ear: Wait, you are not ready; don’t do it today but tomorrow!’ Narochnitskaya writes in her article published in Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

However, she continues, there may no tomorrow. ‘At a time when all the forces in the world have united to prevent Russia from restoring her national and religious identity, Russian people cannot understand the virtue and ‘truth’ of a Church which cannot put away the secondary things and, instead of offering an embrace, asks to meet a bill.’

‘What kind of faith is it if there is no all-forgiving love in it; what kind of Orthodox are those who try to see the mote in a neighbor’s eye; what kind of love of Russia is it if it looks more like admiration for itself rather than for Russia?’ the author of the article asks.

She draws the attention of hesitant pastors and laity of the Russian Church outside Russia to the fact that today when ‘Christian Europe has surrendered without resistance and is going away, it is post-Soviet Russia alone, however paradoxically it may seem, that is revolting’.

According to Narochnitskaya, ‘it is sad to read those lay emigrants who, shutting themselves away in a ivory tower, endlessly reproduce and transfer to today’s Russia and Russians the notions of ‘the cursed days’ and demons of the 1920s. One should probably isolate oneself from reality intentionally and refuse to change anything in it to fail to see how different today’s Russians, Russia and her much-suffering Church are from the idea of them drawn up from antiquated clichés.

‘To reject with pride an superiority a hand offered today, to repel the hopes of Russian people who await the reunification of the family with sinking hearts and a children’s unreasoning joy would be a blow on Russia, the more so that it comes not from an enemy but from a brother. It will by an irremediable insult to the most sincere feelings of millions of people who have admired the feat of the Church Outside Russia but have not even suspected their own Russian brothers abroad to treat them with such disdain’, the author of the article believes.

In this connection, Narochnitskaya asks the question: ‘Will such a rejection devalue the feat once performed by the Russian émigrés who have preserved their Russian nature and faith in foreign lands and who preserved in their hearts ‘the Russia we have lost’ and remained committed to it in their love and faith?’

Do not then lose forever the true Russia which has survived through suffering and is now in a search’, she adds urging the Russian Church Outside Russia not to doom itself to ‘the role of an ethnographic museum of the gone civilization, to a reservation existence outside the theme of Russia and Russians in world history’.

As long as she doen't agknowledge that Puttin and Communism are still in Russia, LITTERALY Disgiused as "Democracy" then The Church abroad, should watch with carefullness, Notice, that Puttin brought, back the Communist Anthem, notice, those Satanic 5 pointed stars of Communism, are still present on ALL Military Signs, and most of the Government, Buildings in Russia, as an American Convert to Orthodoxy, I can only suggest to people to reading a book, called "Third Rome", for people to find out the Reall Holy History of 988-1917ad Russia.

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