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        RECENT EFFORTS FOR UNITY BETWEEN THE TWO FAMILIES
                        OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH

             ``Disputes merely about words must not  be 
               suffered to divide those who think alike'' 

            St. Athanasius,  Tome to the people of Antioch           

CONTENTS

  1. Preface

  2. Introduction

  3. Synopsis
    o Aarhus 1964
    o Bristol 1967
    o Geneva 1970
    o Addis Ababa 1971
    o Chambesy 1985
    o Corinth 1987
    o Egypt 1989
    o Egypt 1990
    o Geneva 1990

  4. Communiques
    o Aarhus 1964
    o Bristol 1967
    o Geneva 1970
    o Addis Ababa 1971
    o Chambesy 1985
    o Corinth 1987
    o Egypt 1989
    o Egypt 1990
    o Geneva 1990


  1. PREFACE
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The following report on the recent efforts for unity between the two families
of the Orthodox Church is divided into two parts.

The first part is a synopsis of the Reports, Agreed Statements and
Recommendations to the Churches, written by the delegates at these meetings.
It will provide the reader with a basic understanding of the conclusions of
each of the conversations.

The second part is a full print of the official Communiques produced at each
meeting, including a list of participants.

The report covers the four unofficial conversations (1964, 1967, 1970, 1971),
the three meetings of the ``Joint Commission of the Theological Dialogue
between the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches'' (1985, 1989,
1990), and two meetings of sub-committees (1987, 1990). The sources for these
communiques are listed in the table of contents.


  1. INTRODUCTION
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Since 451, at the Council of Chalcedon, there has been a division within the
Orthopdox Church due to different Christological terminology. In recent times,
members of the Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Orthodox Churches have met
together coming to a clear understanding that both families have always
loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the
unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they may have used
Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and continuous
loyality to the apostolic tradition that has been the basis of the
conversations held over the last two decades towards unity and communion.

In 1964 a fresh dialogue began at the University of Aarhus in Denmark. This
was followed by meetings at Bristol in 1967, Geneva in 1970 and Addis Ababa in

  1. These were a series of non-official consultations which served as steps
    towards mutual understanding.

The official consultations in which concrete steps were taken began in 1985 at
Chambesy in Geneva. The second official consultation was held at the monastery
of Saint Bishoy in Wadi-El-Natroun, Egypt in June 1989. The outcome of this
latter meeting was of historical dimensions, since in this meeting the two
families of Orthodoxy were able to agree on a Christological formula, thus
ending the controversy regarding Christology which had lasted for more than
fifteen centuries.

In September 1990, the two families of Orthodoxy signed an agreement on
Christology and recommendations were passed to the different Orthodox
Churches, to lift the anathemas and enmity of the past, after revising the
results of the dialogues. If both agreements are accepted by the various
Orthodox Churches, the restoration of communion will be very easy at all
levels, even as far as sharing one table in the Eucharist.

``As for its part, the Coptic Orthodox Church has agreed to lift the
anathemas, but this will not take place unless it is performed bilaterally,
possibly by holding a joint ceremony.'' (H.E. Metropolitan Bishoy,
Metropolitan of Damiette and Secretary of the Holy Synod, Coptic Orthodox
Church, and Co-chairman of the Joint Commission of the Official Dialogue,
El-Kerasa English Magazine, May 1992, Vol. 1, No. 1, p. 8).


  1. SYNOPSIS
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                             AARHUS 1964
  • Over 3 days, 15 theologians from both families met in Aarhus in Denmark for
    informal conversations. They recognised in each other the one orthodox
    faith.

  • The well known phrase used by our common father, St. Cyril of Alexandria
    ``the one nature of God's Word Incarnate'' was at the centre of the
    conversations. Through the different terminologies used by each side,
    they saw the same truth expressed. On the essence of the Christological
    dogma they found themselves in full agreement.

  • As for the Council of Chalcedon (451) both families agreed without
    reservation on rejecting the teaching of Eutyches as well as Nestorius, and
    thus the acceptance or non-acceptance of the Council of Chalcedon does not
    entail the acceptance of either heresy.

  • It was agreed that the significant role of political, sociological and
    cultural factors in creating tension between factions in the last fifteen
    centuries should be recognized and studied together. They should not,
    however, continue to divide us.


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                             BRISTOL 1967 

The Agreed Statement from the second informal conversations in Bristol,
England, firstly affirmed new areas of agreement and then discussed the
questions that still remained to be studied and settled.

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                              -- ONE --
  • Based on the teachings of common fathers of the universal Church they
    approached the Christological question from the perspective of salvation.

  • ``Thus He who is consubstantial with the Father became by the Incarnation
    consubstantial also with us''. God became by nature man that man may attain
    to His uncreated glory.

  • Ever since the fifth century, we have used different formulae to confess our
    common faith in the One Lord Jesus Christ, perfect God and perfect Man. Some
    of us affirm two natures, wills and energies hypostatically united in the
    One Lord Jesus Christ. Some of us affirm one united divine-human nature,
    will and energy in the same Christ. But both sides speak of a union without
    confusion, without change, without division, without separation. The four
    adverbs belong to our common tradition. Both affirm the dynamic permanence
    of the God-head and the Manhood, with all their natural properties and
    faculties, in the one Christ. Those who speak in terms of two'' do not
    thereby divide or separate. Those who speak in terms of
    one'' do not
    thereby commingle or confuse.

  • They discussed also the continuity of doctrine in the Councils of the
    Church, and especially the mono-energistic and monothelete controversies of
    the seventh century. They agreed that the human will is neither absorbed nor
    suppressed by the divine will in the Incarnate Logos, nor are they contrary
    one to the other.

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                              -- TWO --
  • Secondly they began to explore adequate steps to restore the full communion
    between our Churches.

  • They recommended a joint declaration be drafted with a formula of agreement
    on the basic Christological faith in relation to the nature, will and energy
    of our one Lord Jesus Christ, for formal and authoritative approval by the
    Churches.

  • They saw a need to further examine the canonical, liturgical and
    jurisdictional problems involved (e.g. anathemas, acceptance and non
    acceptance of some Councils, and agreements necessary before formal
    restoration of communion.


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                   CENACLE, GENEVA 16-21 Aug 1970

The third unofficial conversations yielded a four part Summary of Conclusions:

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            I.  REAFFIRMATION OF CHRISTOLOGICAL AGREEMENT
  • The theologians found that they were still in full and deep agreement with
    the universal tradition of the one undivided Church .

  • Through visits to each other, and through study of each other's liturgical
    traditions and theological and spiritual writings, they rediscovered other
    mutual agreements in all important matters: liturgy and spirituality,
    doctrine and canonical practice.

  • They concluded by saying `` Our mutual agreement is not merely verbal or
    conceptual it is a deep agreement that impels us to beg our Churches to
    consummate our union by bringing together again the two lines of tradition
    which have been separated from each other for historical reasons for such a
    long time. We work in the hope that our Lord will grant us full unity so
    that we can celebrate together that unity in the Common Eucharist. That is
    our strong desire and final goal''.

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                        II. SOME DIFFERENCES 
  • Despite their agreement on the substance of the tradition, the long period
    of separation has brought about certain differences in the formal expression
    of that tradition. These differences have to do with three basic
    ecclesiological issues:

    (a) The meaning and place of certain Councils -

    The Eastern Orthodox Church teaches that there were seven ecumenical
    Councils which have an inner coherence and continuity that make them a
    single indivisible complex.

    The Oriental Orthodox Church feels, however, that the authentic
    Christological tradition has so far been held by them on the basis of
    the three ecumenical Councils.


(b) The anathematization or acclamation as Saints of certain controversial
teachers -

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 It may not be necessary formally to lift these anathemas, nor for these
 teachers to be recognised as  Saints  by the condemning side.   But the
 restoration of  Communion obviously  implies,  among other things, that
 formal anathemas and condemnation of revered teachers of the other side
 should be discontinued as in the case of Leo, Dioscorus,  Severus,  and
 others. 

(c) The jurisdictional questions related to uniting the Churches at local,
regional and world levels -

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 This  is  not  only  an administrative matter,  but it also touches the
 question of ecclesiology in some aspects. Most cities will need to have
 more than one bishop and more than one Eucharist,  but  it is important
 that the unity is expressed in Eucharistic Communion.
  • The universal tradition of the Church does not demand uniformity in all
    details of doctrinal formulation, forms of worship and canonical practice.
    But the limits of variability need to be more clearly worked out.

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             III. TOWARDS A STATEMENT OF RECONCILIATION
  • They reaffirmed the need for an official joint commission to draft an
    explanatory statement of reconciliation which could then be the basis for
    unity.

  • They suggested that this statement of common Christological agreement could
    make use of the theology of St. Cyril of Alexandria and John of Antioch, and
    that it be worded in unambiguous terminology that would make it clear that
    this explanation has been held by both sides for centuries, as is attested
    by the liturgical and patristic documents.

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                        IV. SOME PRACTICAL STEPS
  • There had already been visits between the two families on the levels of
    heads of churches, bishops and theologians.

  • Some Oriental Orthodox students have been studying in Eastern Orthodox
    Theological Institutions and it was hope that there would be more exchange
    both ways at the level of theological professors, church dignitaries and
    students.

  • Although it was realised that some work could be initiated at an informal
    level, it was hoped that official actions would make further unofficial
    conversations unnecessary.

  • A special Executive Committee was formed to have the following functions:

    (a) Publish in the Greek Orthodox Theological Review a report on this meeting
    in Geneva.

    (b) Produce a resume of the three unofficial conversations, which may be
    studied by the different churches

    (c) Publish a handbook of statistical, historical, and theological
    information regarding the various Churches

    (d) Explore the possibility of an association of all the Theological Schools

    (e) Publish a periodical which will continue to provide information about the
    Churches and to pursue further discussions

    (f) Make available to the Churches the original sources for an informed and
    accurate study of developments

    (g) Encourage theological consultations on contemporary problems

    (h) Explore the possibilities of establishing a common research centre for
    Orthodox theological and historical studies

    (i) Explore the possibility of common teaching material for children and
    youth .


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                           ADDIS ABABA 1971
  • The informal discussions at Addis Ababa centered around the lifting of
    anathemas and the recognition of Saints.

  • This was termed ``an indispensable step on the way to unity''. The delegates
    felt that such a step presupposes essential unity in the faith and thus as
    previously discussed there is a need for an official announcement of unity
    in faith first.

  • They agreed that once the anathemas against certain persons cease to be
    effective, there is no need to require their recognition as saints by those
    who previously anathematized them.

  • They felt that the lifting of anathemas should be prepared for by careful
    study of the teaching of these men, the accusations levelled against them,
    the circumstances under which they were anathematized, and the true
    intention of their teaching. Such study should be sympathetic and motivated
    by the desire to understand and therefore to overlook minor errors.

  • There was also a request for a study of how anathemas have been lifted in
    the past. It was suggested that there may be no need for a formal ceremony
    but that it is much simpler gradually to drop these anathemas in a quiet way
    The fact that these anathemas have been lifted can then be formally
    announced at the time of union.

  • Another study suggested was ``Who is a Saint?''; a study of the criteria for
    sainthood and distinctions between universal, national and local saints.

  • An educational programme for churches was suggested, for both before and
    after the lifting of the anathemas, especially where anathemas and
    condemnations are written into the liturgical texts and hymns. Also the
    rewriting of Church history, text-books and theological manuals will be
    necessary. As this is a time consuming project, we need not await its
    completion for the lifting of anathemas or even for the restoration of
    Communion.

  • The Summary of Conclusions of this fourth unofficial meeting was submitted
    to the churches with the following closing note: ``It is our hope that the
    work done at an informal level can soon be taken up officially by the
    churches, so that the work of the Spirit in bringing us together can now
    find full ecclesiastical response.''


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                    CHAMBESY, GENEVA 10-15 Dec 1985
  • After two decades of unofficial theological consultations the first official
    dialogue between the two families of orthodoxy finally occurred with a
    delegation that was called the ``Joint-Commission of the Theological
    Dialogue Between the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox
    Non-Chalcedonian Churches''.

  • They set up a Joint Sub-Committee of six theologians to prepare common texts
    for future work. The aim of the next meetings would be to re-discover
    common grounds in Christology and Ecclesiology. The following main theme and
    subsequent sub-themes were agreed upon:

    ``Towards a common Christology''

    a) Problems of terminology
    b) Conciliar formulations
    c) Historical factors
    d) Interpretation of Christological dogmas today.


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                    CORINTH, GREECE 23-26 Sep 1987
  • This was a meeting of the Joint Sub-Committee to discuss the problems of
    terminology. They were convinced that though using some terms in a different
    sense, both sides express the same Orthodox theology.

  • The dialogue focused on the terms: Physis, Ousia, Hypostasis, Prosopon.

    Although these terms have not been used with conformity in different
    traditions and by different theologians of the same tradition, all the
    delegates confirmed their agreement that the unique and wonderful union of
    the two natures of Christ is a hypostatic, natural and real unity.

  • In confessing Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God the Father, truly
    born of the Holy and Virgin Mary, our Churches have avoided and rejected the
    heretical teachings of both Nestorius and Eutyches.

  • The common denominator was the common doctrine of the two real births of the
    Logos. The Logos, the Only-begotten of the Father before the ages, became
    man through his second birth in time from the Virgin Mary.

  • The discussion concluded with the expression of the faith that the
    hypostatic union of the two natures of Christ was necessary for the
    salvation of the human kind. Only the Incarnate Logos, as perfect God and at
    the same time perfect man, could redeem man.

  • As discussed in Bristol in 1967, the Joint Sub-Committee concluded that the
    four attributes of the wonderful union of the natures belong also to the
    common tradition since both sides speak of it as without confusion,
    without change, without division, without separation''. And thus those who
    speak in terms of
    two'' don't thereby divide or separate. Those who speak
    in terms of ``one'' don't thereby co-mingle or confuse.

  • They affirmed that the term ``Theotokos'' used for the Virgin Mary, is a
    basic element of faith in our common tradition.


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            ANBA BISHOY MONASTERY, EGYPT 20-24 Jun 1989
  • This was the second meeting of the Joint Commission, there were 23
    participants representing 13 Churches.

  • The main item for consideration was the report of the Joint Sub-Committee
    from Corinth on common Christological convictions. An Agreed Statement was
    approved for transmission to our Churches which subsequently gained
    widespread acceptance by everybody.

  • It confessed the common apostolic faith and tradition of the undivided
    church of the first centuries. This was best expressed in the formula of our
    common father, St. Cyril of Alexandria' ``the one nature of God's Word
    Incarnate''.

  • They confirmed that the Holy Virgin is Theotokos and the Holy Trinity is
    one True God, one ousia in three hypostases or three prosopa.

  • They acknowledged the mystery of the Incarnation when the Logos, eternally
    consubstantial with the Father and the Holy Spirit in his Divinity, became
    incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Blessed Virgin Mary Theotokos, and thus
    became consubstantial with us in His humanity but without sin; true God and
    true man at the same time.

  • It is not that in Him a divine hypostasis and a human hypostasis came
    together, but that the one eternal hypostasis of the Second Person of the
    Trinity has assumed our created human nature to form an inseparably and
    unconfusedly united real divine-human being, the natures being distinguished
    from each other in contemplation only.

  • The agreed condemnation of the Nestorian and Eutychian heresies means that
    we neither separate nor divide the human nature in Christ from His divine
    nature, nor do we think that the former was absorbed in the latter and thus
    ceased to exist.

  • Again the four adverbs were used to qualify the mystery of the hypostatic
    union: without co-mingling, without change, without separation and without
    division.

  • This mutual agreement was not limited to Christology, but encompassed the
    whole faith of the one undivided church of the early centuries.

  • They included a statement on the procession of the Holy Spirit from the
    Father alone.

  • They then appointed a 10 person Joint Sub-Committee for Pastoral Problems to
    report at the next meeting of the newly named Joint Commission of the
    Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches.


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           ANBA BISHOY MONASTERY, EGYPT 31 Jan-4 Feb 1990

  • This was a meeting of the Joint Sub-Committee for Pastoral Problems. They
    found that while the faith unifies us, history keeps us distant because it
    creates ecclesiastical practical problems, which often are more difficult to
    rectify than the historical differences of theological expressions.

  • They recognised that although these problems do not have a deep theological
    cause, they renew the feelings of suspicion and pain among us, and will
    diminish the value of the theological fruits of our official dialogues
    unless ties of love and common sincere desire for unity complement our
    relations.

They made proposals in two areas :

1 - The relation between the two Orthodox families:-

  • The first step must be official ecclesiastical acceptance of the agreed
    statement on Christology. From there an education programme should begin
    with publications to acquaint congregations with the joint agreements, with
    the churches taking part in the dialogues, a summary of the most important
    Christological terms together with a brief explanation based on the fathers'
    writings, and updates on the relations existing between us.

  • There should be an objective to create ecclesiastical relations through
    exchanging the theological writings, professors and students of the
    Theological Institutes.

  • They recommended the clear official acceptance and recognition of the
    Baptism performed by the two families and a joint confrontation of the
    practical problems in the two families such as the problems of marriage -
    divorce (consideration of the marriage as having taken place) etc.

2 - Our common relations with the rest of the Christian world:-


  • There were several recommendations for a joint front :
    • To adopt the same attitude in theological dialogues with the World Council
      of Churches and other ecumenical movements.
    • To issue a joint communique against the modern conceptions which are
      completely in contradiction with our Apostolic tradition, whether related
      to faith or ecclesiastical issues, such as the ordination of women, and
      the moral issues.
    • Common work in neutralising the trends of proselytism and the
      confrontation of religious groups who mislead believers from the faith,
      such as Jehovah's witnesses, Adventists, etc ......

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                  CHAMBESY, GENEVA 23-28 Sep 1990
  • Over six days the third meeting of the Joint Commission was held at the
    Orthodox Centre of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. They produced a ``Second
    Agreed Statement and Recommendations to the Churches'', and a four part
    appendix related to the report of the Joint Sub-Committee on Pastoral
    Problems from their meeting at Anba Bishoy Monastery.

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    I. Second Agreed Statement and Recommendations to the Churches
  • They reaffirmed our common faith based on the first Agreed Statement on
    Christology. Points reiterated were the condemnation of the heresies of
    Eutyches and Nestorius; the Incarnation of the Logos from the Holy Spirit
    and the Virgin Mary Theotokos, to become fully consubstantial with us; the
    hypostatic union of His divine and human natures with their proper energies
    and wills naturally without confusion, without change, without division and
    without separation, being distinguished in thought alone; the acceptance of
    the first three ecumenical councils as common heritage and a mutual
    understanding of respective views on the four later councils;
    the veneration of icons.

  • They stated a clear understanding that both families have always loyally
    maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the
    unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they may have used
    Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and
    continuous loyalty to the apostolic tradition that should be the basis of
    our unity and communion.

  • They recommended that all the anathemas and condemnations of the past which
    now divide us should be lifted by the Churches in order that the last
    obstacle to the full unity and communion of our two families can be removed
    by the grace and power of God. The manner in which the anathemas are to be
    lifted should be decided by the Churches individually.

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               II. Recommendations on Pastoral Issues

(A) Relations among our two families of Churches:

  • They felt that a period of intense preparation of our people to participate
    in the restoration of communion of our Churches is needed. This should
    include an exchange of visits by our heads of Churches and prelates, priests
    and lay people of each one of our two families of Churches to the other; and
    further encouragement to the exchange of theological professors and students
    among theological institutions of the two families for periods varying from
    one week to several years.

  • In localities where Churches of the two families co-exist, they suggested
    that the congregations should organize participation in one Eucharistic
    worship on a sunday or feast day.

  • Again the need for various publications to reach the people was stated;
    these would include the key documents of the Joint Commission, a summary of
    Christological terminology as it was used in history and in the light of our
    agreed statement on Christology, a descriptive book about all the Churches
    of our two families, brief books of Church History giving a more positive
    understanding of the divergencies of the fifth, sixth and seventh centuries.

  • They recognised each others baptism's and suggested that where conflicts
    arise between Churches of our two families over marriages, annulments etc.,
    the Churches involved should come to bilateral agreements on the procedure
    to be adopted until such problems are finally solved by our union.

(B) Relations of our Churches with other Christian Churches:


  • They agreed with the Joint Sub-Committee that our common participation in
    the ecumenical movement needs better co-ordination to make it more effective
    and fruitful.

  • There was a suggestion for small joint consultations on issues like :

    (a) The position and role of the woman in the life of the Church / the
    ordination of women to the priesthood,

    (b) Pastoral care for mixed marriages between Orthodox and heterodox
    Christians,

    (c) Marriages between Orthodox Christians and members of other religions,

    (d) The Orthodox position on annulment of marriage, divorce and separation of
    married couples,

    (e) Abortion,

    (f) Proselytism,

    (g) The theology and practice of Uniatism in the Roman Catholic Church (as a
    prelude to a discussion with the Roman Catholic Church on this subject).

  • There was found to be a need for another joint consultation to co-ordinate
    the results of the several bilateral conversations now going on or held in
    the past by the Churches of our two families with other Catholic and
    Protestant Churches.

(C) Our common service to the world of suffering, need, injustice and
conflicts:

  • They called for the co-ordination of our existing schemes for promoting our
    humanitarian and philanthropic projects in the socio-ethnic context of our
    peoples and of the world at large. This would entail our common approach to
    such problems as : hunger and poverty, sickness and suffering, political,
    religious and social discriminations, refugees and victims of war, youth,
    drugs and unemployment, the mentally and physically handicapped, the aged.

(D) Our co-operation in the propagation of the Christian Faith:

  • This includes mutual co-operation in the work of our inner mission to our
    people, and also collaborating with each other and with the other Christians
    in the Christian mission to the world.
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                             AARHUS  1964
                           AGREED STATEMENT

Ever since the second decade of our century representatives of our Orthodox
Churches, some accepting seven Ecumenical Councils and others accepting three,
have often met in ecumenical gatherings. The desire to know each other and to
restore our unity in the one Church of Christ has been growing all these
years. Our meeting together in Ithodos at the Pan-Orthodox Conference of 1961
confirmed this desire.

Out of this has come about our unofficial gathering of fifteen theologians
from both sides, for three days of informal conversations, in connection with
the meeting of the Faith and Order Commission in Aarhus, Denmark.

We have spoken to each other in the openness of charity and with the
conviction of truth. All of us have learned from each other. Our inherited
misunderstandings have begun to clear up. We recognize in each other the one
orthodox faith of the Church. Fifteen centuries of alienation have not led us
astray from the faith of our fathers.

In our common study of the Council of Chalcedon, the well known phrase used by
our common father in Christ, St. Cyril of Alexandria, mia physis (or mia
hypostasis) lou Theou Logou sesarkomene (the one physis or hypostasis of God's
Word Incarnate) with its implications, was at the centre of our conversations.
On the essence of the Christological dogma we found ourselves in full
agreement. Through the different terminologies used by each side, we saw the
same truth expressed. Since we agree in rejecting without reservation the
teaching of Eutyches as well as of Nestorius, the acceptance or non-acceptance
of the Council of Chalcedon does not entail the acceptance of either heresy.
Both sides found themselves fundamentally following the Christological
teaching of the one undivided Church as expressed by St. Cyril.

The Council of Chalcedon (451), we realize, can only be understood as
reaffirming the decisions of Ephesus (431), and best understood in the light
of the later Council of Constantinople (553). All councils, we have
recognized, have to be seen as stages in an integral development and no
council or dent should be studied in isolation.

The significant role of political, sociological and cultural factors in
creating tension between factions in the past should be recognized and studied
together. They should not, however, continue to divide us.

We see the need to move forward together. The issue at stake is of crucial
importance to all churches in the East and West alike and for the unity of the
whole Church of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit, Who indwells the Church of Jesus Christ, will lead us
together to the fullness of truth and of love. To that end we respectfully
submit to our churches the fruit of our common work of three days together.
Many practical problems remain, but the same Spirit Who led us together here
will, we believe, continue to lead our churches to a common solution of these.

Eastern Orthodox Oriental Orthodox


Bishop Emilianos, Archbishop Tiran Nersoyan,
Ecumenical Patriarchate Armenian Apostlotic Church

The Very Rev. Prof. G. Florovsky, Bishop Karein Sarkissian,
Ecumenical Patriarchate Armenian Apostlotic Church

The Very Rev. Prof. J.S. Romanides Archbishop Mar Severius Zakka Iwas
Ecumenical Patriarchate Syrian Orthodox Church

The Very Rev. Prof. Vitaly Borovoy Metropolitan Mar Thoma Dionysius
Russian Orthodox Church Orthodox Syrian Church of the East

The Rev. Prof. J. Meyendorff The Rev. Father Dr. N.J. Thomas
Russian Orthodox Greek Orthodox Syrian Church of the East
Catholic Church of North America

Prof. J.N. Karmiris Like Siltanat Habte Mariam Worqineh
Church of Greece Ethiopian Orthodox Church

Prof G. Konidaris The Rev. Prof. V.C.Sammuel
Church of Greece Orthodox Syrian Church of the East

Dr. K.N. Khella
Coptic Orthodox Church

Dr. Getachew Haile
Ethiopian Orthodox Church


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                              BRISTOL 1967
                            AGREED STATEMENT
  1. We give thanks to God that we have been able to come together for the
    second time as a study group, with the blessing of the authorities of our
    respective Churches. In Aarhus we discovered much common ground for seeking
    closer ties among our Churches. In Bristol we have found several new areas of
    agreement. Many questions still remain to be studied and settled. But we wish
    to make a few common affirmations.

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                               -- ONE --
  1. God's infinite love for mankind, by which He has both created and saved us,
    is our starting point for apprehending the mystery of the union of perfect
    Godhead and perfect manhood in our Lord Jesus Christ. It is for our salvation
    that God the Word became one of us. Thus He who is consubstantial with the
    Father became by the Incarnation consubstantial also with us. By His infinite
    grace God has called us to attain to His uncreated glory. God became by nature
    man that man may become by grace God. The manhood of Christ thus reveals and
    realizes the true vocation of man. God draws us into fullness of communion
    with Himself in the Body of Christ, that we may be transfigured from glory to
    glory. It is in this soteriological perspective that we have approached the
    Christological question.

  2. We were reminded again of our common fathers in the universal Church - St.
    lgnatius and St. Irenaeus, St. Anthony and St. Athanasius, St. Basil and St.
    Gregory of Nyssa and St. John Chrysostom, St. Ephraim Syrus and St. Cyril of
    Alexandria and many others of venerable memory. Based on their teaching, we
    see the integral relation between Christology and soteriology and also the
    close relation of both to the doctrine of God and to the doctrine of man, to
    ecclesiology and to spirituality, and to the whole liturgical life of the
    Church.

  3. Ever since the fifth century, we have used different formulae to confess
    our common faith in the One Lord Jesus Christ, perfect God and perfect Man.
    Some of us affirm two natures, wills and energies hypostatically united in the
    One Lord Jesus Christ. Some of us affirm one united divine-human nature, will
    and energy in the same Christ. But both sides speak of a union without
    confusion, without change, without division, without separation. The four
    adverbs belong to our common tradition. Both affirm the dynamic permanence of
    the God- head and the Manhood, with all their natural properties and
    faculties, in the one Christ. Those who speak in terms of two'' do not
    thereby divide or separate. Those who speak in terms of
    one'' do not thereby
    commingle or confuse. The without division, without separation'' of those
    who say
    two,'' and the without change, without confusion'' of those who
    say
    one'' need to be specially underlined, in order that we may understand
    each other.

  4. In this spirit, we have discussed also the continuity of doctrine in the
    Councils of the Church, and especially the monenergistic and monothelete
    controversies of the seventh century. All of us agree that the human will is
    neither absorbed nor suppressed by the divine will in the Incarnate Logos, nor
    are they contrary one to the other. The uncreated and created natures, with
    the fullness of their natural properties and faculties, were united without
    confusion or separation, and continue to operate in the one Christ, our
    Saviour. The position of those who wish to speak of one divine-human will and
    energy united without confusion or separation does not appear therefore to be
    incompatible with the decision of the Council of Constantinople (680-81),
    which affirms two natural wills and two natural energies in Him existing
    indivisibly, inconvertibly, inseparably, inconfusedly.

  5. We have sought to formulate several questions which need further study
    before the full communion between our Churches can be restored. But we are
    encouraged by the common mind we have on some fundamental issues to pursue our
    task of common study in the hope that despite the difficulties we have
    encountered the Holy Spirit will lead us on into full agreement.

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                           -- TWO --
  1. Our mutual contacts in the recent past have convinced us that it is a first
    priority for our Churches to explore with a great sense of urgency adequate
    steps to restore the full communion between our Churches, which has been sadly
    interrupted for centuries now. Our conversations at Aarhus in 1964 and at
    Bristol in 1967 have shown us that, in order to achieve this end by the grace
    of God, our Churches need to pursue certain preliminary actions.

  2. The remarkable measure of agreement so far reached among the theologians on
    the Christological teaching of our Churches should soon lead to the
    formulation of a joint declaration in which we express together in the same
    formula our common faith in the One Lord Jesus Christ whom we all acknowledge
    to be perfect God and perfect Man. This formula, which will not have the
    status of a confession of faith or of a creed, should be drawn up by a group
    of theologians officially commissioned by the Churches, and submitted to the
    Churches for formal and authoritative approval, or for suggestions for
    modifications which will have to be considered by the commission before a
    final text is approved by the Churches.

  3. In addition to proposing a formula of agreement on the basic Christological
    faith in relation to the nature, will and energy of our one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the joint theological commission will also have to examine the canonical,
    liturgical and jurisdictional problems involved - e.g anathemas and liturgical
    deprecations by some Churches of theologians regarded by others as doctors and
    saints of the Church, the acceptance and nonacceptance of some Councils, and
    the jurisdictional assurances and agreements necessary before formal
    restoration of communion.

  4. We submit this agreed statement to the authorities and peoples of our
    Churches with great humility and deep respect. We see our task as a study
    group only in terms of exploring together common possibilities which will
    facilitate action by the Churches. Much work still needs to be done, both by
    us and by the Churches, in order that the unity for which our Lord prayed may
    become real in the life of the Churches.

Eastern Orthodox Oriental Orthodox


Metropolitan Emilianos Vardapet Arsen Berberian
Ecumenical Patriarchate Armenian Apostolic Church

The Very Rev. Prof. G. Florovsky Dr. K.N. Khella
Ecumenical Patriarchate Coptic Orthodox Church

The Very Rev. Prof. J.S. Romanides Vardapet Dr. M.K.Krekorian
Ecumenical Patriarchate Armenian Apostolic Church

Archpriest V. Borovoy Ato G.E. Mikre Selassie
Russian Orthodox Church Ethiopian Orthodox Church

The Rev. Prof. J. Meyendorff Metropolitan Theophilos Philippos
Russian Orthodox Greek Orthodox Syrian Church of the East
Catholic Church of North America

Archimandrite D. Papandreou Bishop Samuel
Church of Greece Coptic Orthodox Church

Prof. G. Konidaris The Rev. Prof. V.C. Samuel
Church of Greece Orthodox Syrian Church of the East

Prof N.A. Nissiotis Rev. Fr. P. Verghese
Church of Greece Orthodox Syrian Church of the East

Prof. N. Chitescu
Romanian Orthodox Church

Metropolitan Nikodim Sliven
Bulgarian Orthodox Church

Prof. E. Tsonievsky
Bulgarian Orthodox Church


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                            GENEVA 1970

                   1. SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS
  1. The third unofficial consultation between the theologians of the Oriental
    Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches was held from August 16-21, 1970 at the
    Cenacle, Geneva, in an atmosphere of openness and trust which has been built
    up thanks to the two previous conversations at Aarhus (1964) and Bristol
    (1967).

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              REAFFIRMATION OF CHRISTOLOGICAL AGREEMENT
  1. We have reaffirmed our agreements at Aarhus and Bristol on the substance
    of our common Christology. On the essence of the Christological dogma our two
    traditions, despite fifteen centuries of separation, still find themselves in
    full and deep agreement with the universal tradition of the one undivided
    Church. It is the teaching of the blessed Cyril on the hypostatic union of the
    two natures in Christ that we both affirm, though we may use differing
    terminology to explain this teaching. We both teach that He who is
    consubstantial with the Father according to Godhead became consubstantial also
    with us according to humanity in the Incarnation, that He who was before all
    ages begotten from the Father, was in these last days for us and for our
    salvation born of the blessed Virgin Mary, and that in Him the two natures are
    united in the one hypostasis of the Divine Logos, without confusion, without
    change, without division, without separation. Jesus Christ is perfect God and
    perfect man, with all the properties and faculties that belong to Godhead and
    to humanity.

  2. The human will and energy of Christ are neither absorbed nor suppressed by
    His divine will and energy, nor are the former opposed to the latter, but are
    united together in perfect concord without division or confusion; He who wills
    and acts is always the One hypostasis of the Logos Incarnate. One is
    Emmanuel, God and Man, Our Lord and Saviour, Whom we adore and worship and who
    yet is one of us.

  3. We have become convinced that our agreement extends beyond Christological
    doctrine to embrace other aspects also of the authentic tradition, though we
    have not discussed all matters in detail. But through visits to each other,
    and through study of each other's liturgical traditions and theological and
    spiritual writings, we have rediscovered, with a sense of gratitude to God,
    our mutual agreement in the common tradition of the One Church in all
    important matters liturgy and spirituality, doctrine and canonical practice,
    in our understanding of the Holy Trinity, of the Incarnation, of the Person
    and Work of the Holy Spirit, on the nature of the Church as the Communion of
    Saints with its ministry and Sacraments, and on the life of the world to come
    when our Lord and Saviour shall come in all his glory.

  4. We pray that the Holy Spirit may continue to draw us together to find our
    full unity in the one Body of Christ. Our mutual agreement is not merely
    verbal or conceptual it is a deep agreement that impels us to beg our Churches
    to consummate our union by bringing together again the two lines of tradition
    which have been separated from each other for historical reasons for such a
    long time. We work in the hope that our Lord will grant us full unity so that
    we can celebrate together that unity in the Common Eucharist. That is our
    strong desire and final goal.

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                            SOME DIFFERENCES
  1. Despite our agreement on the substance of the tradition, the long period
    of separation has brought about certain differences in the formal expression
    of that tradition. These differences have to do with three basic
    ecclesiological issues - (a) the meaning and place of certain councils in the
    life of the Church, (b) the anathematization or acclamation as Saints of
    certain controversial teachers in the Church, and (c) the jurisdictional
    questions related to manifestation of the unity of the Church at local,
    regional and world levels.

(a) Theologians from the Eastern Orthodox Church have drawn attention to the
fact that for them the Church teaches that the seven ecumenical councils which
they acknowledge have an inner coherence and continuity that make them a
single indivisible complex to be viewed in its entirety of dogmatic
definition. Theologians from the Oriental Orthodox Church feel, however, that
the authentic Christological tradition has so far been held by them on the
basis of the three ecumenical councils, supplemented by the liturgical and
patristic tradition of the Church. It is our hope that further study will lead
to the solution of this problem by the decision of our Churches.

As for the Councils and their authority for the tradition, we all agree
that the Councils should be seen as charismatic events in the life of the
Church rather than as an authority over the Church; where some Councils are
acknowledged as true Councils, whether as ecumenical or as local, by the
Church's tradition, their authority is to be seen as coming from the Holy
Spirit. Distinction is to be made not only between the doctrinal definitions
and canonical legislations of a Council, but also between the true intention
of the dogmatic definition of a Council and the particular terminology in
which it is expressed, which latter has less authority than the intention.

(b) The reuniting of the two traditions which have their own separate
continuity poses certain problems in relation to certain revered teachers of
one family being condemned or anathematized by the other. It may not be
necessary formally to lift these anathemas, nor for these teachers to be
recognised as Saints by the condemning side. But the restoration of Communion
obviously implies, among other things, that formal anathemas and condemnation
of revered teachers of the other side should be discontinued as in the case of
Leo, Dioscurus, Severus, and others.

(c) It is recognised that jurisdiction is not to be regarded only as an
administrative matter, but that it also touches the question of ecclesiology
in some aspects. The traditional pattern of territorial autonomy or
autocephaly has its own pragmatic, as well as theological, justification. The
manifestation of local unity in the early centuries was to have one bishop,
with one college of presbyters united in one Eucharist. In more recent times
pragmatic considerations, however, have made it necessary in some cases to
have more than one bishop and one Eucharist in one city, but it is important
that the norm required by the nature of the Church be safe guarded at least in
principle and expressed in Eucharistic Communion and in local conciliar
structures.

  1. The universal tradition of the Church does not demand uniformity in all
    details of doctrinal formulation, forms of worship and canonical practice. But
    the limits of pluralistic variability need to be more clearly worked out, in
    the areas of the forms of worship, in terminology of expressing the faith, in
    spirituality, in canonical practice, in administrative or jurisdictional
    patterns, and in the other structural or formal expressions of tradition,
    including the names of teachers and Saints in the Church.

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                TOWARDS A STATEMENT OF RECONCILIATION
  1. We reaffirm the suggestion made by the Bristol consultation that one of
    the next steps is for the Churches of our two families to appoint an official
    joint commission to examine those things which have separated us in the past,
    to discuss our mutual agreements and disagreements and to see if the degree of
    agreement is adequate to justify the drafting of an explanatory statement of
    reconciliation, which will not have the status of a confession of faith or a
    dogmatic definition, but can be the basis on which our Churches can take the
    steps necessary for our being united in a common Eucharist.

We have given attention to some of the issues that need to be officially
decided in such a statement of reconciliation. Its basic content would of
course be the common Christological agreement; it should be made clear that
this is not an innovation on either side, but an explanation of what has been
held on both sides for centuries, as is attested by the liturgical and
patristic documents. The common understanding of Christology is the
fundamental basis for the life, orthodoxy and unity of the Church.

Such a statement of reconciliation could make use of the theology of St. Cyril
of Alexandria as well as expressions used in the Formula of Concord of 433
between St. Cyril and John of Antioch, the terminology used in the four later
Councils and in the patristic and liturgical texts on both sides. Such
terminology should not be used in an ambiguous way to cover up real
disagreement, but should help to make manifest the agreement that really
exists.

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                          SOME PRACTICAL STEPS
  1. Contacts between Churches of the two families have developed at a pace
    that is encouraging. Visits to each other, in some cases at the level of heads
    of Churches, and in others at episcopal level or at the level of theologians
    have helped to mark further progress in the growing degree of mutual trust,
    understanding and agreement. Theological students from the Oriental Orthodox
    Churches have been studying in institutions of the Eastern Orthodox Churches
    for some time now; special efforts should be made now to encourage more
    students from the Eastern Orthodox Churches to study in Oriental Orthodox
    institutions. There should be more exchange at the level of theological
    professors and church dignitaries.

It is our hope and prayer that more official action on the part of the two
families of Churches will make the continuation of this series of unofficial
conversations no longer necessary. But much work still needs to be done, some
of which can be initiated at an informal level.

  1. With this in mind this third unofficial meeting of theologians from the
    two families constitutes:

(a) a Continuation Committee of which all the participants of the three
conversations at Aarhus, Bristol and Geneva would be corresponding members,
and

(b) a Special Executive Committee of this Continuation Committee consisting of
the following members, and who shall have the functions detailed further
below:

  1. Metropolitan Emilianos of Calabria
  2. Archpriest Vitaly Borovoy
  3. Vardapet Mesrob Krikorian
  4. Professor Nikos Nissiotis
  5. Father Paul Verghese

Functions:

(a) To edit, publish and transmit to the Churches a report of this third
series of conversations, through the Greek Orthodox Theological Review.

(b) To produce, on the basis of a common statement of which the substance is
agreed upon in this meeting, a resume of the main points of the three
unofficial conversations in a form which can be discussed, studied and acted
upon by the different autocephalous Churches;

(c) To publish a handbook containing statistical, historical, theological and
other information regarding the various autocephalous Churches;

(d) To explore the possibility of constituting an association of Theological
Schools, in which all the seminaries, academies and theological faculties of
the various autocephalous Churches of both families can be members;

(e) To publish a periodical which will continue to provide information about
the autocephalous Churches and to pursue further discussion of theological,
historical and ecclesiological issues;

(f) To make available to the Churches the original sources for an informed and
accurate study of the historical developments in the common theology and
spirituality as well as the mutual relations of our Churches;

(g) To sponsor or encourage theological consultations on local, regional or
world levels, with a view to deepening our own understanding of, and approach
to, contemporary problems especially in relation to our participation in the
ecumenical movement;

(h) To explore the possibilities of and to carry out the preliminary steps for
the establishment of one or more common research centres where theological and
historical studies in relation to the universal orthodox tradition can be
further developed;

(i) To explore the possibility of producing materials on a common basis for
the instruction of our believers including children and youth and also
theological text-books.

Eastern Orthodox Oriental Orthodox


Dr. A. Arvanitis Kahali Alemu C.
Church of Greece Ethiopian Orthodox Church

Archpriest V. Borovoy The Very Rev. N. Bozabalian
Russian Orthodox Church Armenian Apostolic Church

Prof. N. Chitescu Abba G.E. Degou
Romanian Orthodox Church Ethiopian Orthodox Church

Metropolitan Emilianos Bishop Gregorius
Ecumenical Patriarchate Coptic Orthodox Church

The Very Rev. Prof. G. Florovsky Metropolitan Severius Zakka Iwas
Ecumenical Patriarchate Syrian Orthodox Church of India

Metropolitan Georges The Rev. Dr. K.C. Joseph
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch Syrian Orthodox Church of India

Prof. J.Karmiris Dr. M.K.Krekorian
Church of Greece Armenian Apostolic Church

Prof. G. Konidaris Metropolitan Theophilos Philippos
Church of Alexandria Syrian Orthodox Church of India

The Rev. Prof. J. Meyendorff Rev. Fr. P. Verghese
Orthodox Church in America Syrian Orthodox Church of India

Metropolitan Nikodim Liqe Seltanat Habte Mariam Worqneh
Bulgarian Orthodox Church Ethiopian Orthodox Church

Prof N.A. Nissiotis
Church of Greece

Archimandrite D. Papandreou
Church of Greece

Prof. B. Piperov
Bulgarian Orthodox Church

The Very Rev. Prof. J.S. Romanides
Church of Greece

Prof. L. Voronov
Russian Orthodox Church

Dr. J.D. Zizioulas
Church of Greece

Prof. I. Zonewski
Bulgarian Orthodox Church


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                         ADDIS ABABA 1971
                   l. SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS

The following conclusions and questions have arisen out of our informal
discussions in Addis Ababa about the lifting of anathemas and the recognition
of Saints:

l. We agree that the lifting of the anathemas pronounced by one side against
those regarded as saints and teachers by the other side seems to be an
indispensable step on the way to unity between our two traditions,

  1. We are also agreed that the lifting of the anathemas would be with a view
    to restoring communion between our two traditions, and therefore that it
    presupposes essential unity in the faith between our two traditions. The
    official announcement by both sides that there is in fact such essential unity
    in faith, a basis for which is already provided by the reports of our earlier
    conversations at Aarhus, Bristol and Geneva, would thus appear to be essential
    for the lifting of anathemas.

  2. We agree further that once the anathemas against certain persons cease to
    be effective, there is no need to require their recognition as saints by those
    who previously anathematized them. Different autocephalous churches have
    differing liturgical calendars and lists of Saints. There is no need to impose
    uniformity in this matter. The place of these persons in the future united
    church can be discussed and decided after the union.

  3. Should there be a formal declaration or ceremony in which the anathemas
    are lifted? Many of us felt that it is much simpler gradually to drop these
    anathemas in a quiet way as some churches have already begun to do. Each
    church should choose the way most suited to its situation. The fact that these
    anathemas have been lifted can then be formally announced at the time of
    union.

  4. Who has the authority to lift these anathemas? We are agreed that the
    Church has been given authority by her Lord both to bind and to loose. The
    Church which imposed the anathemas for pastoral or other reasons of that time,
    has also the power to lift them for the same pastoral or other reasons of our
    time. This is part of the stewardship or Oikonomia of the Church.

  5. Does the lifting of an anathema imposed by an ecumenical council call in
    question the infallibility of the Church? Are we by such actions implying that
    a Council was essentially mistaken and therefore fallible? What are the
    specific limits within which the infallibility of the Church with her
    divine-human nature operates? We are agreed that the lifting of the anathemas
    is fully within the authority of the Church and does not compromise her
    infallibility in essential matters of the faith. There was some question as to
    whether only another ecumenical council could lift the anathema imposed by an
    ecumenical council. There was general agreement that a Council is but one of
    the principal elements expressing the authority of the Church, and that the
    Church has always the authority to clarify the decisions of a Council in
    accordance with its true intention. No decision of a Council can be separated
    from the total tradition of the Church. Each council brings forth or
    emphasizes some special aspect of the one truth, and should therefore be seen
    as stages on the way to a fuller articulation of the truth. The dogmatic
    definitions of each council are to be understood and made more explicit in
    terms of subsequent conciliar decisions and definitions.

  6. The lifting of anathemas should be prepared for by careful study of the
    teaching of these men, the accusations levelled against them, the
    circumstances under which they were anathematized, and the true intention of
    their teaching. Such study should be sympathetic and motivated by the desire
    to understand and therefore to overlook minor errors. An accurate and
    complete list of the persons on both sides to be so studied should also be
    prepared. The study should also make a survey of how anathemas have been
    lifted in the past. It would appear that in many instances in the past
    anathemas have been lifted without any formal action beyond the mere reception
    of each other by the estranged parties on the basis of their common faith.
    Such a study would bring out the variety of ways in which anathemas were
    imposed and lifted.

  7. There has also to be a process of education in the churches both before and
    after the lifting of the anathemas, especially where anathemas and
    condemnations are written into the liturgical texts and hymnody of the church.
    The worshipping people have to be prepared to accept the revised texts and
    hymns purged of the condemnations. Each church should make use of its
    ecclesiastical journals and other media for the pastoral preparation of the
    people.

  8. Another important element of such education is the rewriting of Church
    history, text-books, theological manuals and catechetical materials.
    Especially in Church history, there has been a temptation on both sides to
    interpret the sources on a partisan basis. Common study of the sources with
    fresh objectivity and an eirenic attitude can produce common texts for use in
    both our families. Since this is a difficult and time consuming project, we
    need not await its completion for the lifting of anathemas or even for the
    restoration of Communion.

  9. The editing of liturgical texts and hymns to eliminate the condemnations
    is but part of the task of liturgical renewal. We need also to make use of the
    infinite variety and richness of our liturgical traditions, so that each
    church can be enriched by the heritage of others.

  10. There seems to exist some need for a deeper study of the question: ``Who
    is a Saint?'' Neither the criteria for sainthood nor the processes for
    declaring a person as a Saint are the same in the Eastern and Western
    traditions. A study of the distinctions between universal, national and local
    saints, as well as of the processes by which they came to be acknowledged as
    such, could be undertaken by Church historians and theologians. The lifting of
    anathemas need not await the results of such a study, but may merely provide
    the occasion for a necessary clarification of the tradition in relation to the
    concept of sainthood.

  11. Perhaps we should conclude this statement with the observation that this
    is now the fourth of these unofficial conversations in a period of seven
    years. It is our hope that the work done at an informal level can soon be
    taken up officially by the churches, so that the work of the Spirit in
    bringing us together can now find full ecclesiastical response. In that hope
    we submit this fourth report to the churches.

Eastern Orthodox Oriental Orthodox


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What the above indicates is that the Non Chalcedonians firstly AGREE the ORTHODOX are ORTHODOX (Chalcedonians) and that they consistently agree with the doctrinal formulations expressed by the 4th.-7th. Ecumenical Councils, implying that that this witness of Orthodoxy is something they agree with and recognize as legitimate, meaning, that these formulations due to their prolonged schism are things they were unaware of but now agree are correct and Orthodox (To argue they always believed these things, they would provide documents to prove as such--THEY DON'T). Therefore, this is a tacit admission that their Faith is incomplete and made complete by the Truth of Orthodoxy. And it seems as they discover more, when they aren't compromising with ecumenism, they keep saying, "You guys are right." An incomplete faith which does not express the pleroma by definition is fractured, in schism, at very least. (Loud cough.) Contrast that with the agitprop we've had to endure that we're "lying, illogical, deceived, deceivers, schismatics, heretics, shot jfk, etc." We seem to understand whose agenda is what afterward. (grin.) When the Orientals express themselves they say intrinsically a different message from what someone else would pass off as their positions or even demeanour. Moderators, please take care of the agitator.
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Kollyvas wrote:

I want to say something about a forum (orthodoxchristianity.net), supposedly moderated by "Traditionalists," which finds it necessary to pigeonhole denunciations of the Non Chalcedonians as heretical and at the same time empower rabble with a sense of victimhood in doing so. Is the Holy Community of Mt. Athos wrong in its condemnations?!

I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding what you mean. Could you rephrase?

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How many more decades before you are all forced to beome janissaries in a restored caliphate? Either way your schism will end. LOL!
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I fail to see how that is funny. In fact, I think it is sick to wish certain death and rape on the suffering Coptic people.

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More Quiet Concession "Chalcedonianism" IS Orthodo

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http://www.britishorthodox.org/2church.php

Two Families of Orthodox

For over fifteen hundred years the Eastern (Byzantine) Orthodox churches and the Oriental Orthodox churches have remained separated. Only thirty years ago they came together for the first of four unofficial theological consultations : Aarhus (1964), Bristol (1967), Geneva (1970) and Addis Ababa (1971).

These were followed by the establishment of a Joint Commission of the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches, which has held four meetings : Chambesy, Geneva (December 1985), Anba Bishoy monastery, Egypt (June 1989), Chambesy II (September 1990) and Chambesy III (November 1993). Ignorance of the remarkable advance towards the eventual reunion of the "two families" is still widespread and it is a sad reflection on the lack of understanding of what has been agreed already that some journals, commenting on the recent reception of the British Orthodox Church by the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate, are still impugning the Orthodoxy of the Oriental Orthodox churches with accusations of the Monophysite heresy.

There is, of course, always the zealot fringe, which has rather foolishly and improbably attempted to stigmatise the deep and careful deliberations of the Joint Commission as just another step in the liberal, ecumenist sell-out, preferring - for its own reasons - to re-open old wounds rather than pour out the healing balm of charity and truth. In accordance with the Bulletin's declared policy of explaining our common understanding of the Orthodox faith, we published in this issue the key texts issued by the Joint Commission.

Members of the Joint Commission included official representatives of the Coptic Orthodox Church, the Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East, the Supreme Catholicosate of All Armenians at Etchmiadzin, the Armenian Catholicosate of Cilicia, the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church of the East and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church from the Oriental Orthodox family; the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria, the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch, the Russian Patriarchate, the Romanian Patriarchate, the Serbian Patriarchate, the Bulgarian Patriarchate, the Georgian Patriarchate, the Church of Cyprus, the Church of Greece, the Church of Albania, the Czechoslovakian Orthodox Church, the Polish Orthodox Church and the Finnish Orthodox Church from the Byzantine Orthodox family.

First Agreed Statement (1989)

We have inherited from our fathers in Christ the one apostolic faith and tradition, though as Churches we have been separated from each other for centuries. As two families of Orthodox Churches long out of communion with each other we now pray and trust in God to restore that communion on the basis of the common apostolic faith of the undivided church of the first centuries which we confess in our common creed. What follows is a simple reverent statement of what we do believe on our way to restore communion between our two families of Orthodox Churches.

Throughout our discussions we have found our common ground in the formula of our common Father, St. Cyril of Alexandria : mia physis hypostasis (he mia hypostasis)[1] tou Theou Logou sesarkomene, and in the dictum that "it is sufficient for the confession of our true and irreproachable faith to say and to confess that the Holy Virgin is Theotokos" (Hom : 15, cf. Ep. 39).

Great indeed is the wonderful mystery of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one True God, one ousia in three hypostases or three prosopa. Blessed be the Name of the Lord our God, for ever and ever.

Great indeed is also the ineffable mystery of the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ, for us and for our salvation.

The Logos, eternally consubstantial with the Father and the Holy Spirit in His Divinity, has in these last days, become incarnate of the Holy Spirit and Blessed Virgin Mary Theotokos, and thus became man, consubstantial with us in His humanity but without sin. He is true God and true Man at the same time, perfect in His Divinity, perfect in His humanity. Because the one she bore in her womb was at the same time fully God as well as fully human we call the Blessed Virgin Theotokos.

When we speak of the one composite (synthetos) hypostasis of our Lord Jesus Christ, we do not say that in Him a divine hypostasis and a human hypostasis came together. It is that the one eternal hypostasis of the Second Person of the Trinity has assumed our created human nature in that act uniting it with His own uncreated divine nature, to form an inseparably and unconfusedly united real divine-human being, the natures being distinguished from each other in contemplation (theoria) only.

The hypostasis of the Logos before the incarnation, even with His divine nature, is of course not composite. The same hypostasis, as distinct from nature, of the Incarnate Logos, is not composite either. The unique theandric person (prosopon) of Jesus Christ is one eternal hypostasis Who has assumed human nature by the Incarnation. So we call that hypostasis composite, on account of the natures which are united to form one composite unity. It is not the case that our Fathers used physis and hypostasis always interchangeably and confused the one with the other. The term hypostasis can be used to denote both the person as distinct from nature, and also the person with the nature, for a hypostasis never in fact exists without a nature.

It is the same hypostasis of the Second Person of the Trinity, eternally begotten from the Father Who in these last days became a human being and was born of the Blessed Virgin. This is the mystery of the hypostatic union we confess in humble adoration - the real union of the divine with the human, with all the properties and functions of the uncreated divine nature, including natural will and natural energy, inseparably and unconfusedly united with the created human nature with all its properties and functions, including natural will and natural energy. It is the Logos Incarnate Who is the subject of all the willing and acting of Jesus Christ.

We agree in condemning the Nestorian and the Eutychian heresies. We neither separate nor divide the human nature in Christ from His divine nature, nor do we think that the former was absorbed in the latter and thus ceased to exist.

The four adverbs used to qualify the mystery of the hypostatic union belong to our common tradition - without commingling (or confusion) (asyngchytos), without change (atreptos), without separation (achoristos) and without division (adiairetos). Those among us who speak of two natures in Christ, do not thereby deny their inseparable, indivisible union; those among us who speak of one united divine-human nature in Christ do not thereby deny the continuing dynamic presence in Christ of the divine and the human, without change, without confusion.

Our mutual agreement is not limited to Christology, but encompasses the whole faith of the one undivided church of the early centuries. We are agreed also in our understanding of the Person and Work of God the Holy Spirit, Who proceeds from the Father alone, and is always adored with the Father and the Son. [2]

Second Agreed Statement (1990)

The first Agreed Statement on Christology adopted by the Joint Commission of the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches, at our historic meeting at the Anba Bishoy Monastery, Egypt, from 20th to 24th June 1989 forms the basis of this Second Agreed Statement on the following affirmations of our common faith and understanding, and recommendations on steps to be taken for the communion of our two families of Churches in Jesus Christ our Lord, Who prayed "that they all may be one".

  1. Both families agree in condemning the Eutychian heresy. Both families confess that the Logos, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, only begotten of the Father before the ages and consubstantial with Him, was incarnate and was born from the Virgin Mary Theotokos; fully consubstantial with us, perfect man with soul, body and mind (nouj); He was crucified, died, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day, ascended to the Heavenly Father, where He sits on the right hand of the Father as Lord of all Creation. At Pentecost, by the coming of the Holy Spirit He manifested the Church as His Body. We look forward to His coming again in the fullness of His glory, according to the Scriptures.

  2. Both families condemn the Nestorian heresy and the crypto-Nestorianism of Theodoret of Cyrus. They agree that it is not sufficient merely to say that Christ is consubstantial both with His Father and with us, by nature God and by nature man; it is necessary to affirm also that the Logos, Who is by nature God, became by nature Man, by His Incarnation in the fullness of time.

  1. Both families agree that He Who wills and acts is always the one Hypostasis of the Logos incarnate.

  2. Both families agree in rejecting interpretations of Councils which do not fully agree with the Horos of the Third Ecumenical Council and the letter (433) of Cyril of Alexandria to John of Antioch.

  3. The Orthodox agree that the Oriental Orthodox will continue to maintain their traditional Cyrillian terminology of "one nature of the incarnate Logos" ("mia fusij tou qeou Logou sesarkwmenh"), since they acknowledge the double consubstantiality of the Logos which Eutyches denied. The Orthodox also use this terminology. The Oriental Orthodox agree that the Orthodox are justified in their use of the two-natures formula, since they acknowledge that the distinction is "in thought alone" (th qewria monh). Cyril interpreted correctly this use in his letter to John of Antioch and his letters to Acacius of Melitene (PG 77, 184-201), to Eulogius (PG 77, 224-228) and to Succensus (PG 77, 228-245).

  4. Both families accept the first three Ecumenical Councils, which form our common heritage. In relation to the four later Councils of the Orthodox Church, the Orthodox state that for them the above points 1-7 are the teachings also of the four later Councils of the Orthodox Church, while the Oriental Orthodox consider this statement of the Orthodox as their interpretation. With this understanding, the Oriental Orthodox respond to it positively.

  1. In the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology as well as of the above common affirmations, we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they have used Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and continuous loyalty to the Apostolic Tradition that should be the basis for our unity and communion.

  2. Both families agree that all the anathemas and condemnations of the past which now divide us should be lifted by the Churches in order that the last obstacle to the full unity and communion of our two families can be removed by the grace and power of God. Both families agree that the lifting of anathemas and condemnations will be consummated on the basis that the Councils and Fathers previously anathematized or condemned are not heretical.

We therefore recommend to our Churches the following practical steps :

A. The Orthodox should lift all anathemas and condemnations against all Oriental Orthodox Councils and Fathers whom they have anathematised or condemned in the past.

B. The Oriental Orthodox should at the same time lift all anathemas and condemnations against all Orthodox Councils and fathers, whom they have anathematised or condemned in the past.

C. The manner in which the anathemas are to be lifted should be decided by the Churches individually.

Trusting in the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, Unity and Love, we submit this Agreed Statement and Recommendations to our venerable Churches for their consideration and action, praying that the same Spirit will lead us to that unity for which our Lord prayed and prays.

Recommendations on Pastoral Issues (1990)

The Joint Commission of the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches, at its meeting at the Orthodox Centre of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, in Chambesy, Geneva from September 23rd to 28th 1990, received a report from its Joint Pastoral Sub-committee which had met at the Anba Bishoy Monastery in Egypt from 31st January to 4th February 1990. The report was the starting point for an extended discussion of four types of pastoral issues :

I. Relations among our two families of Churches, and our preparation for unity.
II. Relations of our Churches with other Christian Churches and our common participation in the Ecumenical Movement.
III. Our common service to the world of suffering, need, injustice and conflicts.
IV. Our co-operation in the propagation of our common faith and tradition.

I. Relations among our two families of Churches

  1. We feel as a Joint Theological Commission that a period of intense preparation of our people to participate in the implementation of our recommendations and in the restoration of communion of our Churches is needed. To this end we propose the following practical procedure.

  2. It is important to plan an exchange of visits by our heads of Churches and prelates, priests and lay people of each one of our two families of Churches to the other.

  3. It is important to give further encouragement to exchange of theological professors and students among theological institutions of the two families for periods varying from one week to several years.

  4. In localities where Churches of the two families co-exist, the congregations should organise participation of one group of people - men, women, youth and children, including priests, where possible from one congregation of one family to a congregation of the other to attend in the latter's eucharistic worship on Sundays and feast days.

  5. Publications (a) We need to publish, in the various languages of our Churches, the key documents of this Joint Commission with explanatory notes, in small pamphlets to be sold at a reasonable price in all our congregations.
    (b) It will be useful also to have brief pamphlets explaining in simple terms the meaning of the Christological terminology and interpreting the variety of terminology taken by various persons and groups in the course of history in the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology.
    (c) We need a book which gives some brief account, both historical and descriptive, of all the Churches of our two families. This should also be produced in the various languages of our peoples, with pictures and photographs as much as possible.
    (d) We need to promote brief books of Church History by specialist authors giving a more positive understanding of the divergencies of the fifth, sixth and seventh centuries.

  6. Churches of both families should agree that they will not rebaptize members of each other, for recognition of the baptism of the Churches of our two families, if they have not already done so.

  7. Churches should initiate bilateral negotiations for facilitating each other in using each other's church premises in special cases where any of them is deprived of such means.

  8. Where conflicts arise between Churches of our two families, e.g. a) marriages consecrated in one Church being annulled by a bishop of another Church; b) marriages between members of our two families, being celebrated in one church over against the other, c) or children from such marriages being forced to join the one church against the other, the Churches involved should come to bilateral agreements on the procedure to be adopted until such problems are finally solved by our union.

  9. The Churches of both families should be encouraged to look into the theological curriculum and books used in their institutions and make necessary additions and changes in them with the view to promoting better understanding of the other family of Churches. They may also profitably devise programmes for instructing the pastors and people in our congregations on the issues related to the union of the two families.

II. Relations of our Churches with other Christian Churches in the world

  1. Our common participation in the Ecumenical Movement and our involvement in the World Council of Churches needs better co-ordination to make it more effective and fruitful for the promotion of the faith which was once delivered to the saints in the context of the Ecumenical Movement. We could have a preliminary discussion of this question at the Seventh Assembly of the W.C.C. at Canberra, Australia, in February 1991 as well as in regional and national councils of Churches and work out an appropriate scheme for more effective co-ordination of our efforts.

  2. There are crucial issues in which our two families agree fundamentally and have disagreements with the Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches. We could organise small joint consultations on issues like

(a) the position and role of the woman in the life of the Church and our common Orthodox response to the contemporary problem of other Christian communities concerning the ordination of women to the priesthood,
(b) pastoral care for mixed marriages between Orthodox and heterodox Christians,
(c) marriages between Orthodox Christians and members of other religions,
(d) the Orthodox position on dissolution or annulment of marriage, divorce and separation of married couples,.
(e) abortion.

  1. A joint consultation should be held on the burning problem of Proselytism, vis-a-vis religious freedom to draw up the framework of an agreement with other Churches, for the procedure to be followed when an Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox person or family want to join another (Catholic or Protestant) Church or vice-versa.

  2. A special joint consultation should be held on the theology and practice of Uniatism in the Roman Catholic Church, as a prelude to a discussion with the Roman Catholic Church on this subject.

  3. We need to have another joint consultation to co-ordinate the results of the several bilateral conversations now going on or held in the past by Churches of our two families with other Catholic and Protestant Churches.

III. Our common service to the world of suffering need, injustice and conflicts

  1. We need to think together how best we could co-ordinate our existing schemes for promoting our humanitarian and philanthropic projects in the socio-ethnic context of our peoples and of the world at large. This would entail our common approach to such problems as :

(a) hunger and poverty,
(b) sickness and suffering,
(c) political, religious and social discrimination,
(d) refugees and victims of war,
(e) youth, drugs and unemployment,
(f) the mentally and physically handicapped,
(g) the old and the aged)

IV. Our co-operation in the propagation of the Christian Faith

  1. We need to encourage and promote mutual co-operation as far as possible in the work of our inner mission to our people, i.e. in instructing them in the faith, and how to cope with modern dangers arising from contemporary secularism, including cults, ideologies, materialism, AIDs, homosexuality, the permissive society, consumerism, etc.

  2. We also need to find a proper way for collaborating with each other and with other Christians in the Christian mission to the world without undermining the authority and integrity of the local Orthodox Churches.[3]

Proposals for Lifting of Anathemas agreed at Chambesy, Geneva, 1st-6th November 1993

  1. In the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology at St. Bishoy Monastery 1989, and of our Second Agreed Statement at Chambesy 1990, the representatives of both Church families agree that the lifting of anathemas and condemnations of the past can be consummated on the basis of their common acknowledgement of the fact that the Councils and Fathers previously anathematized or condemned are Orthodox in their teachings. In the light of our four unofficial consultations (1964, 1967, 1970, 1971) and our three official meetings which followed on (1985, 1989, 1990), we have understood that both families have loyally maintained the authentic Orthodox Christological doctrine and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they may have used Christological terms in different ways.

  2. The lifting of the anathemas should be made unanimously and simultaneously by the Heads of all the Churches of both sides, through the signing of an appropriate ecclesiastical Act, the content of which will include acknowledgements from each side that the other one is Orthodox in all respects.

  3. The lifting of the anathemas should imply :

a. that restoration of full communion for both sides is to be immediately implemented;
b. that no past condemnation, synodical or personal, against each other is applicable any more;
c. that a catalogue of Diptychs of the Heads of the Churches should be agreed upon to be used liturgically.

  1. At the same time the following practical steps should be taken :

a. The Joint Sub-Committee for Pastoral issues should continue its very important task according to what had been agreed at the 1990 meeting of the Joint Commission.
b. The co-chairmen of the Joint Commission should visit the Heads of the Churches with the view to offering fuller information on the outcome of the Dialogue.
c. A Liturgical Sub-Committee should be appointed by both sides to examine the liturgical implications arising from the restoration of communion and to propose appropriate forms of concelebration.
d. Matters relating to ecclesiastical jurisdiction should be left to be arranged by the respective authorities of the local churches according to common canonical and synodical principles.
e. The two co-chairmen of the Joint Commission with the two Secretaries of the Dialogue should make provisions for the production of appropriate literature explaining our common understanding of the Orthodox faith which has led us to overcome the divisions of the past, and also co-ordinating the work of the other Sub-Committees.

Those wishing to study these issues in greater depth might care to consult Christology in the Coptic Church : The Nature of God the Word Incarnate by Father Tadros Y. Malaty in ECNL (The Journal of the Anglican and Eastern Churches Association), New Series No. 29 (Autumn 1989); The Council of Chalcedon, A Step too far ? The 1993 Constantinople Lecture delivered by The Right Reverend John Dennis, Bishop of St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich, in ECNL, New Series No. 38 (Spring/Summer 1994); and The Nature of Christ by H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Notes :

  1. The English text inadvertently omits he mia in parenthesis, which is found in the official Greek text.

  2. Sobornost, incorporating Eastern Churches Review, Volume 12:1 (1990) carried the full English text of this statement on pages 78-80, in addition to an article Convergence in Christology : Amba Bishoi 1990 by William Taylor on pages 80-84.

  3. The full text of the second Agreed Statement and Recommendations on Pastoral issues, both issued at Chambesy II are to be found in Eastern Churches Journal, Volume 1, No. 1 (Winter 1993/94), pp. 118-130. A slightly abbreviated version also appears in Anglo-Orthodoxy, Volume 13, No. 2 (Dormition 1994).

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anastasios wrote:
Kollyvas wrote:

I want to say something about a forum (orthodoxchristianity.net), supposedly moderated by "Traditionalists," which finds it necessary to pigeonhole denunciations of the Non Chalcedonians as heretical and at the same time empower rabble with a sense of victimhood in doing so. Is the Holy Community of Mt. Athos wrong in its condemnations?!

I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding what you mean. Could you rephrase?

Anastasios

In a nutshell, Mr. Lauro's position, although not shared by me, is a LEGITIMATE ORTHODOX POSITION AND ECHOED ON THE HOLY MOUNTAIN. Why was it he was somehow treated with some sort of "gloved hands" and pigeonholed in an unceremonious manner provoking this acrimony? Even simpler, his views are not isolated to him--why treat him as fringe and give birth to frictions over a bias (yours) which does not speak for all of Orthodoxy?!
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Kollyvas wrote:

...which does not speak for all of Orthodoxy?!
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And just who does speak for all Orthodoxy?

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