World Orthodox Ecumenism article in French

[Jean-Serge]

Of course, a Christian cannot be selfish... However, the core message of Orthodoxy is not "humanitarianand social aid". or it would be a secular and Godless orthodoxy... Actually, the ecumenist meetings failed to reach a doctrinal consensus... Since they have to do something to exist, they are now developping the concept of humanitarian and social aid, which is in fact Godless because it can be done without religious convictions but simply humanist conviction... But the church's MAIN aim is not feeding those who are hungry... It is saving people's souls by letting them know the Truth...

This focus on social issues is another sign of apostasy... We must remind Saint Paul's Epistle to Corinthians... "If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing." And love cannot be separated from Truth, doctrinal truth...

So these people with their christian cooperation to fight poverty may be with good intentions but finally they are "only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal" because their love is a parody of love since there is no truth

[Jean-Serge]

I would suggest to one who pursued recourse and could not get it, and could not remain where he was out of spiritual weakness, to find a humble & loving synodeia which upheld Orthodoxy and pray for himself and his former Synodeia that Orthodoxy in the bond of love and humility be reaffirmed as soon as possible...
R

It os really to find a Synod that uphel Orthodoxy in the Orthodox World. Let us see

1) Constantinople : no commentary
2) Antioch : ah aha are you joking?
3) Alexandria : let's go away
4) Moscow : forget about it
5) Georgia : seems to be more serious because it ran out the WCC but at the same time excommunicated those protesting against the membership in WCC. They are hypocritical
6) Serbia : seems more serious too, but ecumenism is slowly winning
7) Romania : "Theoctist Antechrist" chanted some female monks. Ther must be a reason. Moreober, deeply ecumenist
Bulagaria : no information
9) Poland : no information
10) Greece : no information
11) Jerusalem : seems to be serious but the ousting of Irineos due to a strange plot makes me feel anxious about the future of this Patriarchate
12) Czech and Slovak lands : Papal calendar in some places..
13) Cyprus : no information
14) OCA : some ecumenist there
15)ROCOR : on the bad path and spiritually sinking like the Titanic

So give me please the address of a good synod

By the way, could you tell us what you concretely do to fight ecumenism in your MP jurisdiction apart from writing on the internet. Why haven't you already trialed a renegade? It is very good to speak but acting is better... Keep us informed please of the reception of your recourse...

[Priest Siluan]

14) OCA : some ecumenist there

I would not say "some" but "many"

[Kollyvas]

The way the Romans refered to the early Church was thus.."How they love one another." Indeed, the early Church understood that social stresses and material want were things which the Church in its ministry overcame. St. John Chrysostom's writings on WEALTH & POVERTY are clear. Nothing of apostasy seems to be able to be found.

St. Maximos the Confessor had a much harder time in finding a Synodeia and YET ORTHODOXY, CONCILIAR ORTHODOXY, triumphed. Faith.

I have indicated on separate strings currents in the MP which espouse anti-ecumenism--they are the majority. What do I do? When I speak with pastors and arch-pastors, out of humility I ask questions and gently exhort them to put Orthodoxy first and witness to the heterodox in an appropriate manner in a more appropriate venue than current ecumenism. I do it in front of others. And I have been known to say, "The Church is not for sale." I pray and I hope and I have FAITH while I strive for humility and obedience.

R

[AndyHolland]

While later Fr. Alexander deviated from this himself, this is a most brilliant and insiteful article [I too have some problems with Fr. Alexander in some of his later writings as provided in *]:

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/schmem_canon.aspx

What Fr. Alexander in this article seems to describe is a sort of Orthodox Roman Catholicity - Bishops thinking of themselves and acting as Popes.

Logically this unorthodox situation has a flip side - a Protestant revolt where there is constant, unending schism.

While the Orthodox Calendar is correct, and joint prayers in the WCC are unloving - schism is not the answer. Sometimes we have to stand our ground and fight just as St. Maximos and St. John Chrysostem did.

If we are strict about the canons, we have to wait until the Bishop preaches heresy bareheaded (openly) in Church before we head for the hills. Jumping ship (Ark) early is not of God. The Rudder is not to be used as the law of pharisees, nor is the Church defined by heretics. If we truly love, we stand by our fellow soldiers in Christ, and get crucified.

andy holland
sinner

• http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/schmem_men.aspx

[Kollyvas]

Again, it has been illustrated time and again that according to the Fathers, there is a difference between "resistance" and "schism." Informed opinions should address both paradigms...CATHOLICITY is something best pondered when weighing "neo-papalism" with "lawlessness."
R

[Jean-Serge]

While later Fr. Alexander deviated from this himself, this is a most brilliant and insiteful article [I too have some problems with Fr. Alexander in some of his later writings as provided in *]:

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/schmem_canon.aspx

Yes it is a great text : it clearly shows that canonicity is not linked with being called Patriarchate of X oy Y but in abiding by the canons, which presently many world orthodox churches do not do... Not even speaking about the MP which was not canonically created but was a communist invention...

Finally, Father Scheman joined the world orthodoxy, which shows some people are more interested in honours than it truth...