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[Ekaterina]

to ask for forgiveness with humility and simplicity when one has made a mistake

Forgive me father, but I have thought about this all day.....

Asking for forgiveness "with humility and simplicity" is a given.

I think the point Milla was trying to make was that if we excersized the restraint advocated by the Holy Fathers, then one would not have to ask for forgiveness, because ultimately you would not say what is harmful to another. Hense, preventing the harm and the need to ask for forgiveness.

For many people doing or saying something wrong, is automatically tempered by an "I'm sorry, forgive me." This is tendered so often that it loses meaning and merit. Saying "i'm sorry" however humbly is too easy, it's much harder to bite your tongue and not say anything.

Katya

[SouthernOrthodox]

Excellent point Katya. It has been my experience that biting ones tongue and not saying anything is "unorthodox". We at baptism, either as a child or an adult are blessed with an opinion. This is the only reason I can come up with why plain and simple truths that we understand are so often not by other Orthodox brothers and sisters. Hang in there.

[Priest Siluan]

to ask for forgiveness with humility and simplicity when one has made a mistake

Forgive me father, but I have thought about this all day.....

Asking for forgiveness "with humility and simplicity" is a given.

I think the point Milla was trying to make was that if we excersized the restraint advocated by the Holy Fathers, then one would not have to ask for forgiveness, because ultimately you would not say what is harmful to another. Hense, preventing the harm and the need to ask for forgiveness.

For many people doing or saying something wrong, is automatically tempered by an "I'm sorry, forgive me." This is tendered so often that it loses meaning and merit. Saying "i'm sorry" however humbly is too easy, it's much harder to bite your tongue and not say anything.

Katya

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." (Romans 7:18-20)

[Ekaterina]

Forgive me , Padre but I am no Bible Scholar..... Throwing a "snippet" of a bible quote at me is really a useless thing especially as you chose not to include an explanation of what you intended by the quote.

I am most distrustfull of people who use partial quotes. When you go find the quote, there is usually more there and almost never in context of the conversation at hand.

So.... please elaborate.

Katya