Russian Orthodoxy disavows Soviet-era document in step towar

[Ekaterina]

Jean-Serge wrote:

When you quote something on the Internet please indicate the link as a proof you are not lying...

Jean-Serge Wrote:

I did not say she was lying

Really?????

Katya

P.S. You owe me an apology.......

[SouthernOrthodox]

To put this all into perspective, would we rather see the Patriarch in talks with the likes of Benny Hinn or Billy Graham. So a friendly talk with the Pope doesn't seem so bad now.

[Jean-Serge]

Jean-Serge wrote:

When you quote something on the Internet please indicate the link as a proof you are not lying...

Jean-Serge Wrote:

I did not say she was lying

Really?????

Katya

P.S. You owe me an apology.......

I wrote this taking into account a general situation not this particular one... Indicated the sources shows you have not invented the facts... or the article. In this particular case, I suspected you,indeed, to have invented this article, but I did not accuse you of lying... Suspicion and accusation are two different things...

However, you are right, I beg your pardon... it was unorthodox to raise suspicion whereas it was so easy to ask for the internet link... Shame on me!!!

PS : but please when you quote something from the Net please systemically indicate the link...

[Priest Siluan]

Russian Orthodoxy disavows Soviet-era document in step toward reunion with foreign church

MOSCOW (AP) -- The Russian Orthodox Church has disavowed a Soviet-era declaration of loyalty to the Communist government, a step that could help bring reunion with an emigre church that has been separate since 1920.

The New York-based Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia severed contacts with the Moscow-based church after Patriarch Sergiy issued the loyalty declaration in 1927.

The Moscow Patriarchate has said Sergiy did this to save the church from ruin, but a new document on its Web site says the declaration was among documents that ''do not express the true voice of the Church of Christ (and) are deemed no longer valid.''

The Web site presented several documents drafted by delegates of the Moscow Patriarchate and the foreign church and approved by their respective synods.

The two churches set up working groups on reunification issues after a 2003 visit to Russia by three archbishops of the foreign church and a 2004 visit by its head, Metropolitan Laurus.

The documents went further than ever before toward apology by the Moscow Patriarchate for Soviet-era compromises with the state.

''Some clergymen and laypersons, trampling upon divine truth, facilitated the persecutors in their actions directed toward the destruction of the church,'' said a posted document. ''Such actions cannot under any circumstances be permitted and justified: they deserve all condemnation.''

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http://www.mospat.ru/e--startpage/index.html; http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/english/index.html

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Well, this declaration doesn't prove anything. Maybe they now are looking for more acceptance, after little acceptance in the people (also Russian people and Bishop Agafangel) that had recent documents of the comiciones MP-ROCOR. On the other hand maintain the spirit Metropolitan Sergey and it is logical they are his children. And in their heart and heir actions will continue thinking that the Sergianism saves Russia. In synthesis, I believe that this is simply a political tactics to obtain aproval of people that are in correct doubt.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Considering what they were willing to do to enhance their situation with the communists I am seriously surprised a total and unequivocal renunciation (not that this is) has not come. I mean, its fair whether for another chapter in sergianism, and what's better when it happens to agree with Orthodoxy and increases your political reach?

[joasia]

OOD wrote:

and what's better when it happens to agree with Orthodoxy and increases your political reach?

As to the point I was making. It's all politics. An Athonite monk once said that the people lost the knowledge of God when they made the Ecclesia an organization of do's and don'ts. It used to be a living faith, but now we all live in the ignorance of knowing God. The lives of the saints show us what it means to be in communion with God, to live the faith and love God with all our hearts and all our minds and all our souls; that is the true connection with God. But, I don't see that in any of the hierarchs that are negotiating these talks. These talks are based on worldly perceptions and worldly agendas...it's all politics.

[TomS]

As to the point I was making. It's all politics.

Finally! Something I can agree with you on.