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John Haluska
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Pursuant to the last post regarding Athenagoras, and the main “theme”…these may be of interest:


Regarding Conferring Sainthood upon Patriarch Athenagoras

http://www.orthodoxnews.netfirms.com/12 ... etired.htm

Dear Editor,

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I was saddened by the article "Greek Orthodox Retired Clergy Vote to Confer America’s Model of Sainthood upon the Ever-remembered Archbishop and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras" (posted July 13) because of the motivation to find "a model Saint for the Greek Orthodox Church of America" and to "seek to venerate one of our own."
One of our own?? Are not all Orthodox saints equally our own inasmuch as we are in communion with one another in the Lord? Do we not "stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel" (Phil 1:27)? Or does each ethnic group need its "own" saint?
While other American Orthodox ethnic groups may have produced saints – Russians gave us Herman, Innocent, Tikhon, et al, Alaskans gave us the Martyr Peter the Aleut, Arabs gave us Raphael of Brooklyn, Serbs gave us Nicolai of Zicha, and Carpathians gave us Alexis of Minneapolis & Wilkes-Barre – Greek-Americans have equal claim to these (and all) American saints. So, why play Me Too? It seems to lean toward Philetism.

In Christ,

Rev. Bartholomew Wojcik
St. Nicholas Orthodox Christian Mission
Pella, Iowa


Published by The Archdiocesan Retired Greek Orthodox Clergy of America, July 10, 2004

Greek Orthodox Retired Clergy Vote to Confer America’s Model of Sainthood upon the Ever-remembered Archbishop and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras

In the forefront of the Greek Orthodox Faith in the United States, His Eminence Archbishop Athenagoras cum Ecumenical Patriarch, proclaimed throughout his life in both messages and acts the first Christian Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in 325. He made Christian Orthodoxy known to the West during his years as the Archbishop of the Americas. The Association of the Archdiocesan Greek Orthodox Clergy Retirees will at the forthcoming 37th National Clergy-Laity Congress conference in New York (July 23–30, NEW YORK MARRIOT MARQUIS) honor Patriarch Athenagoras for heroism in the practice of virtue far beyond the ordinary minimum of goodness. History records the popular veneration of an Orthodox Saint as one whose role model and love of God shone brightly and possessed an aura of holiness. Athenagoras lived an extremely virtuous life. At an advanced age, in what was to be his mortal illness, and ebbing strength, he succumbed to the pains of a martyr’s death.

Although death ended Athenagoras’ earthly life, it did not end his legacy. The Archdiocesan Retired Greek Orthodox Clergy in America aware of the vacuous absence of a model Saint for the Greek Orthodox Church of America, agreed in 2004 to nominate officially a Clergy, who following sanctity by the Patriarch, His All Holiness Bartholomew, to be chosen the first Greek Orthodox Saint in America.

The Archdiocesan Retired Greek Orthodox Clergy of America, seek to venerate one of our own, who lifted up Christ Jesus as our lens through which we see, understand and vibrantly know God and His creatures. A former Archbishop and Patriarch whose style of preaching was straightforward and full of good common sense and our Christian faith. His Eminence Archbishop Athenagoras, became a beacon of humanity in America for 18 years and was subsequently elected His All Holiness, Ecumenical Patriarch of the world’s Orthodox Churches and the 300 million Orthodox adherents.

His All Holiness Patriarch Athenagoras, even in difficult situations, is remembered as remaining calm, always expressing thoughts with sweetness, love, patience, tolerance and affection. One of the newly-elected Bishops in America has depicted Patriarch Athenagoras, as possessing a remarkable capacity of befriending and hailed him as the Moses of the Church in the Americas whose communicants came to Florida in the seventeen hundreds.

AUTHOR: REVEREND CONSTANTINE N. DOMBALIS, served a four decade tenure as pastor and dean of the Greek Orthodox Cathedral of Virginia; four year term on the Board of Visitors at Virginia Commonwealth University; appointed by President Ronald Reagan, representative to the 38th Session of the United Nations; U. S. Holocaust Memorial, Honorary degrees: Univ. of Richmond (D.D.) and Randolph Macon College (D.H.L.); Biography: Who’s Who in Medicine and Healthcare, Who’s Who in America, and Who’s Who in the World.

Kind of makes you wonder, "who is next"; Metaxakis, Sergius?

Saints!? Masons!? Initiators of Schisms!? Who is next...Lenin?

John

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John,

I had heard there are circles in the MP who want to make Stalin a saint. How true that is I don't know. :(

Seraphim,

There is the most credible testimony I have heard about this. Is it possible to get the photo?

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bogoliubtsy wrote:

Yes, there is. As well as a parish or two named after him, and OCA parishes which have St. John's image included in frescoes of the Saints of North America. Still, the OCA does not list him in their calendar of saints. I spoke with Fr. John Matusiak about this a couple of years ago. He said the reason St. John is not included in the OCA's calendar is because ROCOR never gave the invitation for the OCA to accept the ROCOR's glorification. With time, I'm sure St. John will be officially recognized, because, as you noted, local glorification is already taking place within the OCA.

I'm OCA. And My spiritual Father corrected me one time when I forgot to say saint before refering to St. John. the dialogue went like this, "So I read a book on the veneration of the Theotokos by John Maximovich that was really good." Fr. Patrick's reply "SIANT John Maximovich!!!"

I can't speak for the majority of the OCA, (Since my parish does seem more traditional in practice than some I have heard of, Like those that practice general confession :shock:) but many already call St. John a Saint. Including myself as you can see. He was a loving and Holy man.

St. John, Pray for us.

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OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:

John,

I had heard there are circles in the MP who want to make Stalin a saint. How true that is I don't know. :(

Seraphim,

There is the most credible testimony I have heard about this. Is it possible to get the photo?

ewww... The thought of Stalin as a Saint make me shudder.

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St. Peter the Aleut

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bogoliubtsy wrote:

Interestingly, St. Peter the Aleut(I don't believe he was officially glorified by ROCOR, but I could be wrong) is included in an icon commonly used as ROCOR's All Saints of North America icon.

I can't remember the year or the exact phrasing, but basically, inquiries were made about when the synod of ROCOR intended to glorify St. Peter of Alaska. The response was something to the effect that St. Peter was already mentioned in the service to St. Herman in a way that made it clear that he was a saint, so no additional glorification was necessary.

If I remember correctly, the same applies to St. Juvenaly of Kenai.

Patrick

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Yes and the sad thing is that reliable testimony as to the life and Martyrdom of Saint Juvenaly (seems to me to be) sorely lacking. I have never heard of where his martyrdom took place or where (if they are) his relics are. The only really good icon I have found was from HTM. (See my Icon corner post) if anyone knows where I can find another please let me know.

I have yet to see a Synaxarion that has his life within its cover. Sad to me that the first martyr of America is the saint we know the least about...

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Just curious, who is that icon of?

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