Lord Have Mercy!

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Mon 21 June 2004 6:24 pm

Lord Have Mercy!

bogoliubtsy · Post by **bogoliubtsy** » Mon 21 June 2004 6:40 pm

I will only speak of ROCOR.

A saint is officially glorified by a local Church. Then that Church invites the other local Churches to include the saint in their calendars. Since relations between ROCOR and the Autocephalous Churches have been strained for some time, this "invitation" for glorification is not always extended between ROCOR and the other Churches. However, there are cases where the glorification just makes sense to all. For instance, with St. Herman of Alaska, who was glorified by ROCOR and the OCA almost at the same time. Also, with St. Xenia of Petersburg who was also glorified in Russia, the Optina Elders, St. John of Kronstadt, etc.

Interestingly, St. Peter the Aleut(I don't believe he was officially glorified by ROCOR, but I could be wrong) is included in an icon commonly used as ROCOR's All Saints of North America icon. However, St. John of San Francisco, who has not been officially recognized yet by the OCA, does not appear to be present in the OCA's most commonly used icon of the same feast.

Nektarios14 · Post by **Nektarios14** » Mon 21 June 2004 7:12 pm

However, St. John of San Francisco, who has not been officially recognized yet by the OCA, does not appear to be present in the OCA's most commonly used icon of the same feast.

Isn't there an OCA Monastery though named after Saint John of San Francisco? Were they always under the OCA or were they recieved in after they were established....?

bogoliubtsy · Post by **bogoliubtsy** » Mon 21 June 2004 8:09 pm

Νεκτάριος wrote:
However, St. John of San Francisco, who has not been officially recognized yet by the OCA, does not appear to be present in the OCA's most commonly used icon of the same feast.

Isn't there an OCA Monastery though named after Saint John of San Francisco? Were they always under the OCA or were they recieved in after they were established....?

Yes, there is. As well as a parish or two named after him, and OCA parishes which have St. John's image included in frescoes of the Saints of North America. Still, the OCA does not list him in their calendar of saints. I spoke with Fr. John Matusiak about this a couple of years ago. He said the reason St. John is not included in the OCA's calendar is because ROCOR never gave the invitation for the OCA to accept the ROCOR's glorification. With time, I'm sure St. John will be officially recognized, because, as you noted, local glorification is already taking place within the OCA.

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Post by **OrthodoxyOrDeath** » Wed 21 July 2004 9:27 am

Romiosini,

I can assure you no Orthodox Christian will go along with the ecumenist church on this one...how sad; and what spiritually sick mind would even suggest such a grossly demented concept as this.

http://www.orthodoxnews.netfirms.com/12 ... etired.htm

Anastasios · Post by **Anastasios** » Wed 21 July 2004 10:50 pm

St Nektarios's Icon stands in the Cathedral of St Markella (GOC) in Astoria, NY.

The Synod in Resistance recognizes St Nicholas Planas.

Don't know about the others.

anastasios

Seraphim Reeves · Post by **Seraphim Reeves** » Thu 22 July 2004 7:58 am

OOD,

I've been told in passing many times, that it was likely that Athenagoras was in fact a Mason. After going through some of the books in my collection, I found a testimony to this, in a book published by an RC traditionalist group called Previews of the New Papacy, page 170. It's a caption accompanied by a photo of the person (a Mason himself) who made the claim...

According to reliable sources, Athenagoras was a Mason. For example, grandmaster of the Italian Freemasonry, Giuliano di Bernardo (left) states this clearly in his book The Philosophy of Freemasonry: "Many Anglican, Orthodox, and Lutheran bishops were members of Masonry ... the Primate of the Anglican church, Fisher, and patriarch Athenagoras were Masons. And Pope John XXIII initiated the ecumenical dialogue with them in an ambience of fraternal understanding." (30 Dias, March 1992)

Seraphim