joasia wrote:Yes, and yet one can claim to be repentant, but without humility, faith, hope, and love, one is not repentant.
That's why I said: These virtues cannot be true to God unless repentance is achieved. I'm not referring to fakers of repentance, I'm talking about true repentance. Repentance is the foundation to attain humility, faith, hope and love.
The chief sign of repentance is humility. Our humble saints are also joyfully obedient, loving, and kind.
That's right. Humility, faith, hope and love are achieved when one attains repentance.
If I have offended you in any way, I am truly sorry and ask your forgiveness.
No offense taken. I just feel strongly about the holy fathers' teachings of repentance which is the first step to attaining the virtues mentioned which will guide us through our spiritual warfares.
My impression was that we talk so boldly about the virtues, but don't understand the spiritual struggle of attaining them. It's a brutal spiritual struggle. Can we say that we have the humility to accept every wrong-doing towards us and bite our tongues or not get frustrated or angry at someone? Or that we have such a love that will keep us from criticizing or judging another and loving them as the image of God? Or that we never question why God allows us to go through something because we have complete faith in Him? Or that we have such hope in Christ that we are not worried about anything that we face in life.
It's good to express our feelings. It's all about spiritual experiences in the Orthodox faith. We can learn from each other.
This is all very true.
Do you have some quotes from the Holy Fathers concerning what you have written?
I think this will inspire our readers and inquirers to search into the writings of the Holy Fathers.
Thanks for sharing all this. It is good to have spiritual conversations to help us continue the race toward salvation.