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http://www.interfax-religion.com/print. ... ws&id=5025

2008-07-30 18:02:00

The Russian Church not to condemn Communism as a political doctrine

Moscow, July 30, Interfax - The Moscow Patriarchate finds no sense in
condemning communism as an ideology.

"Church doesn't give estimations to political philosophy and
political doctrines. When they say Church should condemn communism as
philosophy I don't think it's correct," deputy head of the Moscow
Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Archpriest
Vsevolod Chaplin said on air of Russian News Service.

He noted there were believers among the Communists and "many people
once urged Church to condemn Communism."

"There's a definite answer. The Bishops' Council 1994 clearly stated
that no state system or existing political doctrine could be
preferable for Church," the priest said.

According to Fr. Vsevolod, "it's difficult" to say what communism is
today as "some left political movements speak about ideals of
justice. And these ideals are also important for an Orthodox
Christian."

"We know very well that the early apostolic community shared
property. We know that ideas of social justice triumphed in early
Church. Thus, there can believers among those who call themselves
socialists, extreme socialists and even communists. The very
philosophy of negating capitalism is consonant to the Christian
outlook," the Russian Church representative said.

He went on to say, "it's easy to condemn "communism," but let's
describe in detail what this ideology represents." "I believe there's
no accurate description as it has too many interpretations, " the
priest noted.

It is quite a different matter (and according to him, "many priests
have positively stated it") that "society and state should condemn
crimes of the Bolshevist regime and, perhaps, its leaders," who "were
notorious malefactors, took power illegally and sentenced the country
to terror and mass victims."

"Until authorities and society give explicit estimate of the
Bolshevist work, until we clearly decide in "yes" or "no" categories
if our country is a successor of the Bolshevist regime or, at least
to a greater degree, a successor of thousand-year old Russian state -
we have no future. I'm absolutely sure," Fr. Vsevolod summed up.

Some people prefer cupcakes. I, for one, care less for them...

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Of course, we all need to focus on repenting for our own sins, but this is an important article for any who are still interested in discerning the truth about the Moscow Patriarchate. There is a remarkable state of denial, and a dysfunctional "rule of silence" today within the MP-ROCOR "family" about the anti-Christian legacy of Stalin and the Marxist-Leninist ideology that led to the formation of the Soviet state. I have even read comments from people within the MP-ROCOR praising Joseph Stalin, the man who blew up the Church of Christ the Savior near the Kremlin because he couldn't stand to look at it!

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   One gets the impression that Russians from the former Soviet Union are today in complete denial, or ignorance, of the dark, Satanic history of Soviet anti-Christianity, including the longstanding infiltration and control of the MP administration by the atheistic Soviet NKVD and KGB.  How can a "church," and a nation truly repent and recover from a fall without honestly acknowledging that a serious fall has occurred?  And, for those who would argue that the MP has truly repented, I would ask, why, then, did the recent MP Sobor denounce any who would criticize Metropolitan Sergius?

   Denial, denial, denial.
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This is very difficult to understand.
It is so painfully obvious that Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist Communism is Anti-Christian, even the simplest Orthodox layman could recognize it. How then those who have been educated and supposedly graced by the Holy Mystery of Ordination NOT condemn this godless ideology!?!

Either the State still controls the Moscow Patriarchate or the Patriarchate desires to control the State. :cry:

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