A Lecture by Fr. Seraphim Rose

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Fri 25 July 2008 10:01 pm

Perhaps some already know about this audio. I just recently discovered it.

Varsanufios · Post by **Varsanufios** » Sat 26 July 2008 10:43 pm

Y had listen this audio.Y know all thats father Seraphim wants to tell.But there is a problem.
Why he wour acsepted new calendarists as orthodox?In a way that he wour giv them a Holy Comunion?

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Sat 26 July 2008 11:12 pm

Varsanufios

Why he wour acsepted new calendarists as orthodox?In a way that he wour giv them a Holy Comunion?

Where did you hear that? I assure you that he would never accept the world Orthodox view. If there were new calendarists that came to him and had Holy Communion, is because they left their way of life and accepted the truth.

Incognito1583 · Post by **Incognito1583** » Sun 27 July 2008 12:42 am

Father Seraphim was of course with ROCA an old calendar church, but he believed the MP had grace.

Varsanufios · Post by **Varsanufios** » Sun 27 July 2008 11:21 am

joasia wrote:
Varsanufios

Why he wour acsepted new calendarists as orthodox?In a way that he wour giv them a Holy Comunion?

Where did you hear that? I assure you that he would never accept the world Orthodox view. If there were new calendarists that came to him and had Holy Communion, is because they left their way of life and accepted the truth.

My brother in Christ told me,a same thing as you does.But brather inkognito are think diferent.
From from what source,y can get best informetion? :? :oops:
Sorry if y am wrong.Or y did something bad. :oops:

Incognito1583 · Post by **Incognito1583** » Sun 27 July 2008 11:56 pm

From "Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works," by Father Damascene, page 650.

"Fr. Seraphim valued the Catacomb Church as a continuation of the confessing stand of the first hierarchs martyred under Communism: a stand, which, avoiding sectarianism and fanaticism, did not cease to regard the Moscow Patriarchate as a part of the Orthodox Church."

As Father Seraphim pointed out in an article: "Metropolitan Cyril of Kazan and other leading hierarches of the Catacomb Church have regarded it as blasphemy to deny that the sacraments of the Moscow Patriarchate are grace-filled."

"...In the Moscow Patriarchate there have been betrayer bishops...But in the same Moscow Patrarchate there is an increasing number of priests...who do not participate in this betrayal." [Father Seraphim].

I believe Father Seraphim's views are perhaps responsible for where Saint Herman's Monastery is today, in terms of their union with the Serbs and ordinations from Moscow.

GOCPriestMark · Post by **GOCPriestMark** » Mon 28 July 2008 12:29 am

Incognito1583 wrote:
From "Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works," by Father Damascene, page 650.

Did Fr. Damascene ever meet Fr. Seraphim? How long did he know him? Doesn't his information come from Fr. Herman who had reason for justifing his shifting allegiance?

Incognito1583 wrote:
"Fr. Seraphim valued the Catacomb Church as a continuation of the confessing stand of the first hierarchs martyred under Communism: a stand, which, avoiding sectarianism and fanaticism, did not cease to regard the Moscow Patriarchate as a part of the Orthodox Church."

This is only believable for those who haven't read the writings of said confessing hierarchs.

Incognito1583 wrote:
As Father Seraphim pointed out in an article: "Metropolitan Cyril of Kazan and other leading hierarches of the Catacomb Church have regarded it as blasphemy to deny that the sacraments of the Moscow Patriarchate are grace-filled."

This is only believable for those who haven't read the last epistle of Metropolitan Cyril. In his earlier epistles he was giving the new MP the benefit of the doubt because he didn't have enough reliable information. You will recall he was in prison and hadn't met with Met. Sergius yet.

Incognito1583 wrote:
"...In the Moscow Patriarchate there have been betrayer bishops...But in the same Moscow Patrarchate there is an increasing number of priests...who do not participate in this betrayal." [Father Seraphim].

After the apostasy has taken place what does it matter if a few priests start doing the right thing, but remain in communion with the apostasy? A priest only serves with the permission of his bishop. If the bishop has no grace than the priest must find a true bishop.

Incognito1583 wrote:
I believe Father Seraphim's views are perhaps responsible for where Saint Herman's Monastery is today, in terms of their union with the Serbs and ordinations from Moscow.

Or perhaps the published version of Fr. Seraphim's "views" reflects how the surviving leader[s] was justifying his seperation from ROCOR and his move to the MP and Serbs.