Enough is Enough with No Apology?

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Incognito1583
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Enough is Enough with No Apology?

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Some Orthodox people, and people in general, will say and do anything they possibly can to avoid apologies and humbling onesself. Some can never admit to being wrong. In their prideful state they think they can do no wrong. This is all related to pride. They think that if they say something, it therefore MUST be the right thing to say because ''THEY" said it. They will say anything except "forgive me," "I apologize," or "Im sorry."

It reminds me of my brother. He can't humble himself to apologize for things in the past. In stead he says he wishes he could have done things differently. It takes humility to ask for forgiveness and apologize to people. But the virtue of humility is virtually non existant in the world today.

With that said, I officially apologize to Joasia and everyone here for my argumentative spirit. Let there be peace. I am angry at the state of the churches and the state of my own soul. I am angry because I am under great spiritual warfare and I never receive any consolation from above. It gets discouraging. But I will never stop.

I apologize for my sins. I am the chief of sinners and have no right to judge people.

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And there are other reasons I am angry, but I will not elaborate on them here. Let peace prevail. :)

I sincerely apologize to everyone here for my sins, judgementalism and disruptions. Thank you for your patience.

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My first post might not have been very clear. It was a response to the statement "enough is enough." This statement is prideful because it is not an apology for judging, impatience, and being un-loving. Some people believe they can do no wrong. Of course this is pride. Some people can never say "I'm sorry." They can never bring themselves to that level of humility and self-blame. I'm not referring to Constantine's use of the phrase. That was a different context. He had nothing to apologize for.

Again, I apologize to everyone here for my sins.

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Incognito,

You are correct. My pride caused me to get angry. I should not have written what I did. It was truely un-Christian of me. And for that I am truely sorry to have replied to you in that manner. I was still feeling this anger this morning. Yes, I believed I was justified. But, that is what happens when anger rules the heart.

So why the sudden change of heart? I just bought the Sayings of the Desert Fathers. I had one years ago but gave it away. On my way back, I was reading the first saint, St. Anthony the Great. During one of the stories, specifically the one about the brethern praising a monk, something happened. St. Anthony wanted to see how he could bare insult and the monk couldn't.

At that moment, the wall of anger melted away and I thought of you. And a feeling of compuction came over me. I felt my heart soften and the deep regret for how I treated you and Constantine, for that matter. And the thought came to me: Now you see what state you were in? Was it my thought or was it God? I believe it was God speaking to me through my heart, because I could not possibly bring that up in myself, without Christ. I believe this is a lesson God needs to teach me over and over, because I am weak. I am strong, by Christ, in other things, but this needs work(and many other things). But, I hope in God that one day, after the many falls, He will instill dispassion.

So please accept my apology. I don't want to have bad discourse with you or anyone. And if I do start to get away with myself(which is always a temptation, the sinner that I am), then you can be the first to point it out. I will deserve it.

I believe that the Sayings is full of the Grace of the Holy Spirit and reading it can bring much spiritual strength and lessons. The holy words of St. Anthony cut right into my heart. This book is the tenderizer of the heart and soul.

I hope you and Constantine accept my apology and we can be right with each other, in Christ. Please don't feel angry anymore.

I don't know how you will feel about this post, but please believe that it is 100% honest.

In Christ, Joanna

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Joanna,

Gooday! It's very inspiring to see someone humble themselves as you have. Perhaps we can all learn something.

Where did you get this particuar book? Please let me know and the author or is their a particular website I can go into?

Many Thanks :D
+Angela

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Hi Angela,

You can google it on line. I got mine from the religious bookstore in my area. It's a very popular book. You can get it from whatever online store you get your other books. The ones I know are based in the U.S.

In Christ,

Joanna

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Joasia, I don't know if I have ever read anything you've said, that wasn't true. You were right in being straight forward with me and rebuking me when necessary. I admit I have a habit of being a trouble maker, and I apologize to everyone here for my behavior. Thank you.

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