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Lebedeff urges ROCOR to become fully World orthodox

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ROCOR leading clergyman urges his fellow servants not to become outcasts in the Orthodox world
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=2218

New York, November 3, Interfax - The signing of the ‘Act of Canonical Communion’ would ensure the future of the self-governing Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia and place it on ‘a solid canonical foundation.’ Such is the view of Very Rev. Alexander Lebedev, secretary of the ROCOR Commission on the talks with the Moscow Patriarchate.

In an article published on the ROCOR website he noted that the earlier grounds for the ROCOR independent existence cannot be justified at present, when the Church in Russia is free.

Very Rev. Alexander reminded the opponents of reestablishing the unity that the rejection of the Act ‘would mean the total break of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia with all the Local Orthodox Churches, which will then have every reason to deem us schismatics.’

If this occurs, ‘the Serbian Orthodox Church, our last link with the fullness of canonical Orthodoxy, will doubtless refuse communion with us,’ while the Church of Jerusalem may withdraw the blessing for our bishops and priests to serve in the Holy Land.

Rejecting the Act would make us, in the eyes of the Russian Orthodox Church, schismatics, ‘like the followers of Valentin Rusantsov, and will exclude the possibility of participating in the church life of our homeland.’

Very Rev. Alexander thinks that if the Act is not signed, ‘not only the Moscow Patriarchate, but the entire Orthodox world would thereby be convinced that we cannot be dealt with seriously, that we ourselves prefer to be essentially sectarians, torn from the fullness of universal Orthodoxy, and do not wish to be united with our much-suffering Church in the Fatherland and with canonical Orthodoxy.’

All canonical stipulations of the Act ‘must be viewed not as a sign of subjugation; they are normal and necessary elements of the relationship between any self-governing part of a Local Church and her Primate.’ Their observance is ‘ecclesiastically necessary’ in the light of the reestablishment of normal relations with the Church in Russia,’ the ROCOR Commission secretary thinks.

According to him, ‘the adoption of the Act will serve to end the sorrowful division of the Russian Orthodox people. The participation of our clergymen and faithful in the work of the spiritual rebirth of the Russian people will rise to an entirely new level.’

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This is exactly as I imagine it. Every word is about how afraid they are of the power of the MP, what they might do, and a fear of not being recognized. These people are starving for recognition from the world - legitimacy comes from the ecumenist world and not from an Orthodox faith.

And unlike "Valentin Rusantsov" (thank God for him and the other Bishops), they are basically saying they are afraid of the MP and their power, and what they might do to them.

Or does Alexander Lebedeft have any words, or any fear, about the faith, and what the Holy Fathers say of heresy?

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Again, I say to you, you attribute to Fr Alexander words he, himself, did not write. All the emphasis and tone of this article belongs to the journalist who wrote it. They are not Fr Alexander's exact words. I have worked with Journalists and I know the spin that is applied. I even doubt the "correctness" of the quotes.

If you want to know , why not just ask Fr Alexander himself, instead of believing a third party?

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katya,

Alexander's words are in qoutes, which tells me those were his words. Are you saying that is not true?

And even if he did not say these things, doesn't it sum up the ROCOR-MP's position well? I mean, to go and unite with the MP is like saying all that ROCOR was ever opposed to was the existence of Communism - which is absurd.

What has happened is that ROCOR-MP has given up and turned to reap the benefits of giving up. Forget the fact that they will be in communion with and united with the Ecumenist and Monophysite heresies - they have lost all concern for this and now have stupid explainations, this is what has really changed.

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Ioannis:

I do not know if the quotes attributed to Fr Alexander are actually his or whether they have been paraphrased, in which case they are not really his but someone's interpretation of his words.

Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. I believe you are wrong in this instance. I have yet to see ANYTHING in writting that says that ROCOR is no longer against communism. I have yet to see anything that says they are NOT against the idea of Sergianism. What I HAVE seen is that circumstances have changed, people are changing (even if it is in a fashion that you and others disapprove of) and communism no longer has a choke hold grip on the Church. The ROChurch has repented for the idea of sergianism (even if it is in a manner which you deem to be insufficient).

The ROChurch cannot be held responcible to the fact that communists (not communism) still exist in their country. It does take time to change people and their isms. Since all the points of Met Philaret's conditions have been met, then it is time to heal this breach between the two halves of the church.

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Katya,

I didn't say anything about Sergianism. And who in the ROCOR-MP really careas about Sergianism when they are sharing the body and blood of Monophysitism and Ecumenism?

Tell me Katya, since when do Orthodox bishops build churches (the actual buildings) together with Monophysites in order to share liturgies, communion, and congegrations? And which MP bishop ever repented from signing and agreeing to the Balamand confession of faith? So, now that communism is dead on paper, don't fixate on any supposed repentence of Sergianism; any thief would gladly renounce picking pockets after all the tourists have gone home, and while he is plundering a bank.

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At the same time in all of this, have we also forgotten that while the Directives of Met. Philaret may have been met on the part of the MP, the Canonical status of the MP is still in question since the authority of Met. Sergius to lead the Russian Church down its sorrowful path when he took to himself he title of Patriarch is still in question.

Again, I take the stance of those here that have said, "You are not a part of this, why worry about it," but at the same time it is a very frustrating and spiritually dangerous situation from either side of the issue.

May God have mercy on us all.
Juvenaly Martinka

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