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A Conversation on Modernism

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A Conversation About Modernism

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What follows is a conversation between Fr. Alexander Lebedeff and an inquirer to the Orthodox Faith. The content was drawn from numerous email postings to the Orthodox List Forum (a.k.a., the "Indiana List") in 1996. I took the liberty of piecing them together to form one complete conversation.

I am a Roman Catholic who is inquiring into the Orthodox Faith. I have some friends in the OCA who have gotten me interested in your church. I am attracted to Orthodoxy, but also quite confused by all of the divisions I see in the Orthodox Church today. People are arguing about a lot of issues, many of which seem trite. Can you please explain to me the reason for all of this? It is all so bewildering.

I am happy to address your important question. At the outset I would like to say that the opinions I express are my own, and do not necessarily represent the official position of the ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia), in which I have been a Priest for twenty-five years.

In my honest opinion, world Orthodoxy is now experiencing a polarization into two camps: for lack of a better term one can think of them as "traditionalists" and "modernists."

As we all know, the 19th century saw the development of liberal ideas that ultimately led to the revolution in Russia. A number of the clergy in the Russian Orthodox church had become involved in the liberal movement and wished to "liberalize" the Church. Their proposals included: a change to the New Calendar (the Gregorian Calendar, introduced by Pope Gregory XIII at the end of the 16th century and rejected by all the Orthodox churches at that time, who continued to use the traditional Julian Calendar); married Bishops; permission for Priests to marry a second time; shortening of services; reduction of fasting periods and the strictness of the fasts; use of non-clerical garb by clergy outside of the church; eliminating the traditional requirement of beards and long hair for clergy; and many other innovations.

These Priests became the kernel of the so-called "renovationist" movement in early post-revolutionary Soviet Russia, which cooperated with them, since they expressed complete support for the Communist regime. Most of the church buildings in the Soviet Union were transferred to the renovationists, and those who didn't cooperate (the followers of Patriarch Tikhon) were persecuted and often killed.

At the same time, a rather interesting figure had had himself elected to the office of Patriarch of Constantinople, Meletios Metaxakis. This individual had previously been ArchBishop of Athens, then Patriarch of Alexandria. It is not exactly clear how he had been able to be the head of three independent local Orthodox Churches in succession. Suffice it to say, it is known that he was a Freemason and had "connections."

He was extremely modernist in his views. He supported all of the above-mentioned innovations of the renovationists, and shocked the Orthodox world by appearing in a civilian suit. In 1923 he instituted an official change to the new calendar, although the other innovations he proposed did not go through. He also recognized the Renovationists in Soviet Russia as the true Church of Russia and joined in their condemnation and deposition of Patriarch Tikhon.

To make a long story short, as a result of the calendar innovation, the Orthodox world was divided. Some of the Orthodox churches remained Old Calendar, some accepted the New, and the liturgical unity of the Church was shattered. In Greece, the introduction of the new calendar caused extraordinary upheaval and physical persecution of the old-calendarists was widespread.

The calendar question is one of extraordinary significance to "traditionalist" Orthodox, although it is presented as a matter of little importance by the new-calendarists ("This is not an issue of dogma, Father, just custom," one hears). The answer, of course, is that the Pope's calendar innovation had been condemned many times by pan-Orthodox Councils, so it is not a matter of "taste."

So how has this affected Orthodoxy in the United States? Today one can see the following: New-calendar churches, typically, have accepted many of the "trappings" of Roman Catholic and Protestant churches. They, for the most part, have pews in their churches, some have organs (!) and electronic carillons instead of bells, their Priests, and in some cases even Bishops, most often wear "clerical collars" and suits (outside of the services), almost all clergy have short hair and trimmed or no beards, and like to be called "Father Tom," or "Father Al." The services are typically shortened, frequently even Saturday-night Vigil services are eliminated. The new-calendarists have relatively few monasteries and monastic clergy. Many churches thrive on Bingo, and almost all have lay "presidents" of the congregation, who, together with a parish council, direct the affairs of the church. Being a Freemason is not considered to be in conflict with Orthodoxy.

On the other hand, traditionalist Orthodox parishes will never have pews, organs and the like; their clergy will never be seen without a rasson (they wouldn't be caught dead wearing a "dog collar" and "clergy shirt"!); no one would dream of addressing them as "Father Tom"; they typically do not cut their hair or beards (unless required by outside employment); the services follow a much fuller Typicon; the Priests are rectors of their parishes and they are themselves the "presidents" of the parish corporations, with the parish council acting in a more advisory role; there are far more monastic clergy and many monasteries and convents. Freemasonry is soundly condemned as incompatible with Orthodoxy.

Another significant area dividing traditional Orthodox from their "modernist" brethren is the area of Ecumenism. To a traditionalist Orthodox, ecumenism is an outright heresy, condemned by innumerable Councils who clearly forbid praying with heretics. The new-calendarists, on the other hand, are very active participants in the "ecumenical movement," in the WCC and the NCC, notwithstanding the incredible mixture of paganism, new-world thinking, radical feminism, and other weird stuff that goes on at WCC assemblies.

Unfortunately, the last three Patriarchs of Constantinople (Athenagoras, Demetrius, and, now, Bartholemew, have been rabid ecumenists. Patriarch Bartholemew, at least at the time he was Metropolitan) had frequently been photographed in a civilian business suit (with tie, not even an ecclesiastical collar), and studied at the Papal Institute in Rome. He recent meetings with the Pope underscore his desire to reunite with Rome by the year 2000. He, and other ecumenically-oriented Eastern Patriarchs have virtually accepted the Monophysite heretics as valid Orthodox, without making them renounce their views or accept the Orthodox position regarding the Divine and human natures of Christ.

All this is appalling to traditionalist Orthodox, who wish to preserve the faith of the Apostles and the Fathers without any change.

As a Roman Catholic, some of this may be familiar to you. You may remember the upheaval that was caused in the RC church when wholesale modernization took place. The traditional Orthodox will struggle to keep this from happening within Orthodoxy. Although a relatively small part of the contemporary Orthodox population, the traditionalists (comprising the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, which has 400 clergy outside of Russia; the old calendarist churches of Greece, Bulgaria, Roumania, and like-minded Orthodox throughout the world) will continue to witness for the purity of Orthodoxy and against the heresies of modernism and ecumenism that have, so unfortunately, infected so much of World Orthodoxy.

While there are some fanatical fringe groups within the traditionalist movement (who aver that everyone else is devoid of grace), the majority of traditionalists do not agree. They consider the other (modernist) Orthodox to still be Orthodox, although in grave error, and pray for their return to the path of traditional Orthodoxy, as preserved by the Church for 2000 years. Among the "modernists" there is also a fanatic fringe, who consider the traditionalist Orthodox to be "schismatics" and outside the Church.

I think we should let the two fanatic fringes shout themselves out, while the more rationally-minded traditionalist and new-calendar Orthodox Christians should engage in peaceful and constructive dialogue in non-confronational places such as this forum, and of course, pray for each other as brothers and sisters in Christ.

In closing, I should point out that there are ROCOR parishes that have some of the same ills as I have mentioned above. I do not wish to give the appearance of oversimplifying a complex situation in order to make the point that there were significant differences between the appearance and praxis of "traditionalist" and "modernist" Orthodox in America.

Certainly, there are ROCOR parishes that shorten the Typicon far beyond reason. There are ROCOR Priests who have no beards and short hair. Some ROCOR clergy (mostly deacons), appear among parishioners wearing suits. Some parishes are run by a Church board with a lay president. In fact, some ROCOR parishes may even have pews! At the same time, there are some parishes in "modernist" jurisdictions with no pews, with Priests who preserve traditional clergy appearance and garb, who follow a full Typicon, etc.

Still, these may be the proverbial exceptions that prove the rule. I am speaking of new-calendarist jurisdictions as a whole, and not any specific one. You have friends in the OCA, which definitely can be characterized as a "modernist" jurisdiction. However, compared to, say, the Antiochian Orthodox in the USA, the OCA is more traditional. I remember being alternately amused and appalled at a photograph I saw in the Word (the Antiochian magazine) some time in 1982 (or so). It was a picture of Metropolitan Philip dressed in a cowboy suit, complete with bandana and six-shooter (his panagia was tucked into his shirt pocket). The Archdiocese was having its annual convention in Dallas, Texas, and the Metropolitan decided to "dress for the occasion." The six-shooter was pointed at the reader, with the inscription "Pay your diocesan assessment, or else," or something similar. I imagine no OCA Bishop would have been caught dead in such a ludicrous get-up. I, in fact, have never seen a picture of Metropolitan Philip in a rason except when the Patriarch of Antioch comes to visit. But this type of external appearance, together with big cigars, is a long-standing tradition from the time of Metropolitan Anthony Bashir. Can you blame traditionalist Orthodox for being scandalized?

I am certain that there are extremely dedicated, competent, and serious clergy and lay people in the OCA. There are also some serious problem situations among the clergy and parishes of the ROCOR. Neither changes my admittedly generalized picture of "modernist" vs. "traditionalist" poles of Orthodoxy in America. The typical OCA parish is new calendar, has pews, clergy wearing Western-style clerical suits and collars, and a much-shortened typicon. The typical ROCOR parish does not. Exceptions exist on both sides, but do not change the substance of the dichotomy. Also, the OCA is definitely involved in the ecumenical movement, with the Chancellor of the OCA, Fr. Leonid Kishkovsky, actually having served for a time, relatively recently, as a President of the National Council of Churches

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I really appreciated your post. It was very informative and not polemic. I can see why you are concerned.
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Hi to all,

I have seen quite a few times the term on this bulletin board. How do most member here see modernism? Is it strictly used in a religious context, or does it also means a rejection of modern society and/or its "values"?
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Denis, when most people who are Orthodox talk of modernism, to me knowledge they are referring to modernism within the church.

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I can only speak for myself, but when I speak of "modernism" I am speaking of a certain "movement" that takes place within Religion (and in this case, Orthodoxy). I think that "modern society" is a different discussion altogether: there are good things about it, and there are bad things about it, but this isn't (directly anyway) the subject I'm thinking of when I speak of "modernism". (That would be an interesting subject to discuss though, if anyone wanted to discuss it :) )

It's hard (or impossible) to give a definition of "modernism," but you know it for what it is when it manifests itself. It is, essentially, a movement, and not a specifically fixed philosophy or ideology. It is a heresy that is always present in the Church: it was there with Saint Paul, and it will be there until the day of our Lord. Modernism is, to give one description (not definition, mind you): the attempt to "update," "progress," or "make relevant" through innovative means which simultaneously corrupts or outright destroys the magnificently-colored, catholic tapestry of holy tradition. (I use "catholic" here in it's expanded meaning: it denotes a fullness and wholeness). Modernism is the attempt to change the Orthodox Church according to a culture, nationality, ideology, personality, etc.; we should of course be changing all that is worldly and finite and fallen by transforming and deifying it through and in the theanthropic body of Christ, the Church. *

As far as what areas are being effected by modernism in the modern (no pun intended) Orthodox Church, instead of sitting here writing for an hour, I'll quote something I wrote a few months ago for my own personal use (sort of a way to gauge where my own mind/heart was):

The first problem relating to modernism is the alarming abuse of the concept of "economy" by local Priests, and sometimes even Bishops. This can be seen in a number of areas, two of which I'll identify. The first example is the moral lapse regarding the use of contraception, which was clearly condemned by everyone before the 20th century. (Amazingly, some Priests and Bishops don't even pretend to allow it's use through economy anymore, but simply say that whoever wants to use it may use it, and that the Church has never considered such things it's business.) The second abuse of economy that is becoming all too common in certain jurisdictions is the allowance of Orthodox Christians to attend heterodox services, and even receive communion at them.

The second problem relating to modernism, or perhaps just relating to the western culture in general, is the minimalism of faith and widespread loss of asceticism. It is not clear which had more of an effect, some jurisdiction's conscious attempts to "modernise," or simply the influence of Western Society as a whole. Whatever the cause, fasting has been relaxed and even sometimes dropped, preaching of the blessedness of poverty and giving alms is rarely heard, preaching of virginity and monasticism as a higher path is almost non-existent, vigils are almost non-existent, etc. Standing a long time has simply been done away with by bringing in pews, and even with the pews there is still sufficient enough reasons, apparently, to cut the length of the services. Depriving ourselves of the creature comforts, once the stated goal for every Christian (even if it didn't happen in practice), has become non-existent, and isn't even stated as a goal anymore; now it's just "for the monks".

The third problem relating to modernism and western society is the loss of the Patristic mindset, and adoption of the humanistic, modernist mindset. For example, some groups are ridiculed and mocked for "focusing on the externals"; while unfortunately all too many groups cast off these "externals," but by doing so unwittingly throw away many grace-bestowing traditions that they so desperately now need. They think they have thrown out "man made" traditions, but what they have really done is cut out God-man delivered traditions (this is usually done by making a distinction between "tradition with a small t" and "Tradition with a big T"). They have unwittingly thrown the baby out with the bath water, when all they thought they were doing was throwing out dirty bath water. What is left is a humanistic, intellectualized system of belief. Orthodoxy has become complacent regarding social issues such as abortion, evil television shows, and so forth. Not only do they not speak in the same spirit as the Fathers, but they find the words of the Fathers "offensive" and "extremist," or perhaps just "outdated" and "of a less sophisticated and informed time". These Orthodox no longer hold to traditions of apostolic origin, as these are ignorantly labled "little t traditions". At a time when Orthodoxy should be taking a maximalist approach and embracing everything we can take from the Fathers, we are instead attempting to "update" and "modernise," to "adapt to the culture" (as opposed to transcending it).

To these, perhaps (apparently?) could be added things like female ordination. I don't think this could ever happen, but I'm sorry to hear that it's even being considered. Another modernistic change would be the attempt to "save the liturgy" (this is usually guised in the concept that the liturgists are trying to "return to the purity of the original Church," but it is in actuality nothing but a rejection of Church Tradition from the last 1,400 years). There are other examples, I'm sure, but these will probably suffice in at least explaining what it is that I mean when I speak of "modernism" (though again, I can't speak for what others mean).

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  • I'm not contradicting myself here. The reason that I said it wasn't a fixed ideology or philosophy is because the philosophy, personality, etc. always changes, and is therefore unfixed. Modernism always morphs and adapts to new situations, casting off the ideas of yesteryear as they grow tiring and embracing newer, "exciting" ones. The only "fixed" part of modernism, then, is that it always changes and takes on a new form.
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To me modernism would be modernism in the sense of the Church, modernism is changing things to suit people so that more will be drawn to the Church, to make it more 'welcoming', to do things such as have female 'priests' and laity serving communion to other laity during the liturgy, just to name a few examples. i dont think there's anything wrong with trying to bring more people in, but we shouldn't just change aspects of the Church to attract them, they should want to convert by how we act, and by our examples as Orthodox Christians, and by the fact that our Church is unchanging, not 'getting with the times'.

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Thanks to all for your answers.
I'm very pleased with the time and effort all of you made to answer this question. I must say I agree with all of the above except on one point; the language of the sevice should be in the language of the community. this I should say is not in relation to the service itself, but because I assume most interactions between parishioners would also take place in a language other than English before and after the service. In a way, it becomes the sanction for exclusiveness.

Regarding women priest, I feel this is a terrible mistake. I can't stop thinking when I see one such things as here comes the priestess! Naturally, I associate then all the denotations and connotations of this noun in relation to paganism.

As far as modern society is concerned, I perceive our materialistic, atheistic, secular, relativist, edonistic, and amoral in nature as basically evil. I'm sorry to desagree with Mr. Bush, but to me, our world, the North American world represent most of what is evil in this world. Yes, it stands for freedom, but a materialistinc consumer oriented freedom. Everything else is judge as a facilitator or impediment of these mercantilists positions. I understand now how for solong I've been feeling out of step with my very own society and the present denominations except for Orthodoxy like ROCOR.

And this is why ROCOR should open its doors to all who seek the Holy Thruth. The only barrier seems to me the language question and the difficulty to find a parish. Basically, I'm praying for an apostolic mission plan for North America.

Thanks to all again,

Denis

P.S. Please forgive the bad English eitheir through misspelling or poor sentence structure. My first language is French.

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