Orthodox Christians and Tattoos

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Orthodox Tattoos Good or Bad?

Good

2
15%

Bad

8
62%

Not sure...

3
23%
 
Total votes: 13

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Nektarios
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Orthodox Christians and Tattoos

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What do you guys think about Orthodox Christians getting Tattoos?
I have to Orthodox Tattoos.

My bishop made the sign of the cross over the first one. My first one is on my chest and is of the Esphigmenou Flag, with the Double-Headed Eagle and the Inscription Orthodoxy or Death in Greek.

My 2nd on is a Russian 3 bar cross in the middle of my back its about 4-5 inches tall.

Ive heard different answeres from different levels of clergy what is your opinion?

In Christ
Nektarios

P.S. I am finally back from Japan!

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You know I grew up in the Punk rock scene in san francisco and lived on the streets from the age 16 till i was 18 and started my musical career as a bass player in many types of music from Punk rock to the dark Gothic scene and well unfortunately covered both of my arms with tattoos of Skulls,snakes,demons,spiders,rats,wasps,ants,dragons,black cats, etc..my story behind all my filthy work on my arms were that I was afraid of all those things...today i dont go anywhere without long sleeve shirts ,even when it was 100 degrees in texas I would wear long sleeve shirts...Its sad, cause everyday when i shower im reminded of the dark life I lived from GOD, but then i rejoice for He has protected me and allowed me to understand his patience with me...Today i see it as a rebellious and selfish time of my life away from God, but a form of asceticism for i have to live with its pain everyday now......Im very ashamed that i would destroy Gods creation with such filth of darkness, but as I said before I was lost and blame no one but myself fallen into the evil ones plans......if you were to catch me on the street on wash day in short sleeves you would think and say WHAT up DUDE, and I would respond "CHRIST HAS RISEN".........
when I was told by an old man that if I kept praying more would be revealed to me, I thought o.k.

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I posted a long reply to this, but something must have gone wrong...
I'm trying to think of a concise way to discuss this. I've heard a sermon regarding the myrrh-bearing women, and not defiling one's earthly body. I sort of took it as, of course a priest isn't going to approve of tattoos and piercings, but I still think a lot depends on one's state of mind and motivation. I do know tattoo artists who are NOT bad or evil people, on the other hand, as one of my friends said "I see a new tattoo shop opened. Now more people can be different, just like everyone else." Tattoos are such a conformity thing now. I'm sorry CorpusChristi that your tattoos have such negative connotations. (Hey I rescued a black cat from it's "home" in a garbage dump. She's the sweetest animal imaginable.) Snakes and rats and spiders, oh my (!) I guess I'd have to say, that of the things I regret in my life, a little ink under my skin just isn't big on my list. I never felt that by getting a tattoo that I was rejecting God, or morality. It was liberating for me, at the time, for different reasons that are well, complicated. I think the whole punk thing could be very anti-religion, but you didn't necessarily have to participate in that aspect. I mean, you can go to a nice, corporate office, with very "straight" looking people who, I don't know, commit adultery. I know in some exteme fundamentalist groups, where kids are beaten from infancy, hey, I might hate religion too, you know and tattoo every inch of me, and have twenty facial piercings. Of course, God doesn't want that, but religion can be corrupted in a fallen world.

I personaly think it's sadder to see a 13 year old girl in a mall, all slutted out (sorry, no offense intended), with her mother who doesn't see anything wrong with the sexualizing of children. To me, that's way worse than a tattoo. One last thing; I had been seriously ill when I was a teenager, and I think you can develop a great need for control, when your sickness determines basically everything you do. I think for people who that type of experience, tattooing and "body art" can have a strong appeal for many reasons. Of course, once you become obsessed, it's a passion gaining control of you, which is to be avoided.
Sorry this is so long and inarticulate. I don't think I've suceeded in expressing anything as I intended. I don't want to say I'm "pro" tattoo, but I'm not exactly against them either. Sorry this post makes so little sense!

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Canonical violation...

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It's against the Canons and strict enforcement of them excommunicates you for a period of time. But your Bishop blessed, so...I wouldn't recommend it to others.

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DavidHawthorne
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Tattoes and Orthodoxy

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Christ is Among Us!

I am a little limited on time but I think I can say that both in Scripture( I believe in Leviticus) and Tradition (references available upon reguest) tattooes are not allowed to Orthodox Christians. Having said that, some of the most pious and wiser (than I) Orthodox Christians I know have numerous tattoos. Granted, they had theirs done before their repentance but they are much better Orthodox than I. So I guess the short answer is, if you have had tattoes in the past, don't worry about it. That was the "old man". Isn't the point of tattoos to be a message? Make your current life the message. Let your current commitment to Holy Orthodoxy be so obvious you don't need a tattoo. Let it be that when outsiders ask, "Why does he do that?", those who know you will answer, "Oh, he is Orthodox. That's what they do...."

In Christ,
Rd. David

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I think in Isiah it talks warns about markings of the skin,ear rings, jewelry and those things, I completely think it is wrong today, I used to not really care if it was right or wrong, I would demand someone NOT get a tattoo at all, it simply seems totally against us being created in the image of God....But if you have crawled and spiraled downwards as I have remember Tattoos are a permanent sin for us to bare till the end ,we will always be reminded of this past and people will judge us and look down on us,it will be exactly as those permanent sins in our heart, mind,soul except the latter are hidden to the world..By confession and true repentance our Lord forgives us of all these sins Thru his sacrifice on the Cross..But we have to be 100 % repentant and there is no middle of the road here, you either fully repent or not.....Miraculously God allows us to use those grave sins that we have committed, as a weapon against the evil one, but not too many people know this..He forgives us and allows us to help others dealing with that same sin(Tattoos,drugs,alcohol,fornication,pornography,anger,resentment,pride,ego,selfishness,theft,cussing,all those things that are unpleasing to GOD become our greatest asset in helping to bring people hope and to the True Church. in the Gospel ,the 10 Gentile lepers were confronted by Christ , the Lepers asked Master have Mercy on us, and they were instructed to go to the Priests of the Law and show them that they were no longer Lepers, even though they still had lepercy ,they didnt hesitated to question Jesus at that time ,they had faith.
on the way to the Priests they were cured of Lepercy, 9 continued this path , and only one turned back and went to find this man they called Jesus, For he knew at that instance that this was the SON of GOD.Jesus sorrowed for this because out of 9 , only 1 came back.......and today as our sins are forgiven we continue our path in the world some say verbally that they are thankful and some just believe they are thankful.. but how many run back and Bow down to the triune GOD as MASTER..................the Crux of the story is if Im truely 100% repentant, God Promises to forgive me,But we also find in the gospel that Faith without Works is Dead, and works can mean a 100 things but here works clearly means TO HELP SOMEONE struggling as you once did.. because of those past mistakes I had nowhere to go and at that instance(a Broken Heart, not a girl) I knew Jesus was the Son of GOD and I ran back to him and he led me to the OCA, and as that Lepercy gentile , I too have been cured of my outer skin defects, but visibly they can still be seen.. the ones that are still cold in the Heart(not completely Broken) look down at me as a Lepercy infested Gentile and those that have been broken and know the Triune God as Master embrace me with a small smile, for they somehow know I came back to the TRUTH as that 1 gentile came back running to Christ..and that is the miracle ive been given, to make that identification with those hopeless and lost, with hopes of bringing them some hope and showing them that God is all mercyfull and powerfull, remember Faith without Works is DEAD .........cc

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Amen!

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Christ is Among Us!
Truly, truly and truly! Whatever we have done does not matter- only what we do and what we are does. The one I spoke of earlier serves in the altar and is married to the priest's daughter and is now a father- while I don't even do half of what I know to do as an Orthodox Christian. Yet he is covered in tattoos and I am not. Small credit to me. If you have some "Orthodox" tatoos and your life backs them up then God will bless it. Do not seek more. What Satan sought as evil God will bless as good as in St. Joseph's case. Your daily commitment to bearing the fruit of the Spirit in Gal. 5:22-23 is your true tattoo and should be the mark of us all. May God bless it!
In Christ,
Rd. David

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