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http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/HilarionWCC.php

Russian Orthodoxy and Ecumenicism
Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev
No endorsement implied. "The quest for unity is something very essential to our Christian being"

Karin Achtelstetter, Media Relations Officer of the World Council of Churches (WCC), discusses the results of the Jubilee Council of Bishops with the Secretary for Inter-Christian Affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church, The Very Rev. Dr Hilarion Alfeyev.

Karin Achtelstetter: The document "The Basic Principles of the Attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church to Other Christian Confessions" is now available in an authorized English translation. It is one of several documents issued by the Russian Orthodox Church Council of Bishops, which met in August 2000. Father Hilarion, could you please first of all introduce the issues the Council dealt with as well as the context and situation of the Russian Orthodox Church in which the Bishops met?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: The Jubilee Council of Bishops, which took place in August this year was, in my view, the most productive council of the Russian Orthodox Church since the famous local council of 1917-1918. This year's Council produced several important documents. One of its major and important acts was to canonise more than 1,000 saints of the 20th, 19th and 18th centuries, including many new martyrs of the Russian Orthodox Church. Media attention focused particularly on the canonisation of Tsar Nicholas II and his family, and the fact that more than 1,000 other people were canonised was almost completely overlooked. These canonisations should be considered within the framework of our recent history. Tsar Nicholas II and his family were among those who suffered for their Christian faith and for being authentic representatives of their own nation. This is particularly true for Nicholas II and his family because, although they did not suffer for Christ in the literal sense, they were passion-bearers who suffered for being Russians - for being faithful to their country and to their people. Indeed, among the more than 1,000 newly canonised saints, there are remarkable personalities - both amongst the new 20th-century martyrs and amongst those of preceding centuries like, for example, Archimandrite Makari Gloukharev, who was a missionary in the Altai region and was very ecumenical in spirit. He wanted to organize a joint mission of Christians, Muslims and Jews and even to build a temple where the representatives of these traditional religions could pray together. I know that in some circles of the Russian Orthodox Church there was strong opposition to this canonisation - yet this person was canonised, and I think that it is a very positive sign.

Another important thing done by this Council was the adoption of a document called the Bases of the Social Conception, or of the Social Doctrine, of the Russian Orthodox Church. It deals with very many issues related to the life of a Christian in contemporary society. It touches upon the issue of the church and the state, for example, and constitutes a major breakthrough in the relations between them because it proclaims the complete independence of the church. It also claims that the church has the moral authority and right to influence decisions taken by the state. It further specifies that in cases where the state or government undertakes some action or calls to some activities that go against Christian morality and spirit, the church may call its faithful to protest and even to civil disobedience. I think it is the first time in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church that such a radical statement is made.

Karin Achtelstetter: Coming back to "The Basic Principles of the Attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church to Other Christian Confessions", why was it so important for the Russian Orthodox Church at that moment to discuss these issues and to adopt a document like this one?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: There has been an ongoing discussion within the Russian Orthodox Church, which intensified tremendously after the collapse of the Soviet Union, on Orthodox participation in various inter-Christian activities. Many people within the Church questioned the necessity of such activities - of bilateral dialogues, of the Russian Orthodox presence in the World Council of Churches and other ecumenical organisations. This criticism still exists on various levels. Obviously there are people - those who are influenced by various schismatic groups which use this issue for propaganda purposes. But there are also people who are sincerely preoccupied with the present state of affairs in the ecumenical movement. We see that the degree to which the Orthodox Church is involved and is able to influence the agenda of the ecumenical movement is quite insufficient. There are therefore a lot of discussions and arguments about these issues. And again, people express their private positions, and some are simply confused - they do not know what to think and whom to believe. It was very important for the Church to adopt a balanced official position on why it is necessary to continue to participate in inter-Christian dialogue.

Karin Achtelstetter: As you said before, this Council was one of the most important ones in the life of the Russian Orthodox Church. What in your opinion is the significance of the document "The Basic Principles of the Attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church to Other Christian Confessions" for the life of your church?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: First of all, the document proclaims very clearly what has been the official position of the Orthodox Church: the Orthodox Church identifies itself with the true church of Christ, established by Christ himself. The fact that we participate in discussions and dialogues with other Christian churches and communities does not undermine the importance of this intrinsic conviction of Orthodox Christians. Secondly, the document says that the quest for unity is something very essential to our Christian being and that it would be a sin to underestimate the necessity to work for Christian unity.

Karin Achtelstetter: Has this never been stated before?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: It has all been stated before, in one form or another. However, to put these questions in this theological framework is very helpful. The document specifies that the Russian Orthodox Church has had dialogue with Christians of other confessions for more than 200 years. It also specifies that the Russian Orthodox Church differentiates between various confessions. That means we recognise the baptism of some confessions, we recognise the baptism and Christmation of some confessions, and we accept representatives of some Christian confessions, if they happen to be priests or bishops, in their existing ranks.

Karin Achtelstetter: What status does this document have within the Russian Orthodox Church?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: It is an official document that must be followed by all members of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Karin Achtelstetter: Until a new document is produced?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: There is no provision for a new document. Of course, in the long term, the Church is free to make amendments and adjustments to its own documents. The document was not only written for immediate use. The idea was to write a document which would be useful for years, if not for decades. That is why its authors tried to dissociate as much as possible from the present situation within the Christian world.

Karin Achtelstetter: The document refers in many instances to the "Orthodox Church". Does that mean that the Russian Orthodox Church speaks on behalf of the whole Eastern Orthodox family?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: It is an internal document for the Russian Orthodox Church, and whenever reference is made to the particular role which the Russian Orthodox Church has played or to some historical aspects of Russian Orthodox involvement in inter-Christian activities, the phrase the Russian Orthodox Church is used. However, when a more general statement is made about various theological, dogmatic or doctrinal positions of the Orthodox Church, the phrase the Orthodox Church is used. This does not mean that another Orthodox church could not question these positions, though I think it rather unlikely that an Orthodox church would criticise a dogmatic position of the Russian Orthodox Church. The bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church thought that when they spoke on various theological and doctrinal aspects of our involvement in inter-Christian activities, they represented the Orthodox point of view, that would be shared by other Orthodox churches.

Karin Achtelstetter: According to the document, the Orthodox Church cannot accept the equality of denominations. Might this not cause some irritation amongst non-Orthodox Christian traditions which are in dialogue with the Russian Orthodox Church?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: We are not against coexistence of various denominations as legal entities. However, we cannot ignore the fact that some Christian confessions, in our view, are closer to the truth than other Christian confessions. When the document speaks of the equality of denominations, the question is about their equality vis-?-vis what we consider to be the true tradition of one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. We identify the Orthodox Church as being faithful to this tradition, while we would claim that some other Christian confessions have departed in one way or another from this tradition. Therefore, in this respect, there is no equality between them.

Karin Achtelstetter: Does this position allow for a dialogue with other denominations on an equal footing?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: There is always an equal footing in any dialogue, which does not diminish the fact that both partners in the dialogue consider themselves as bearers of truth. At least this is true for the Orthodox Church. There is a special chapter in the document that states very clearly that a dialogue is not a monologue. We therefore are involved not only in order to speak and to see whether what we say is acceptable, but also in order to listen. That does not mean, however, that we are going to adjust our dogmatic positions. It means we are ready to listen or, as the document ends, "our mouth is open unto you; our heart is enlarged". This is a quotation from Second Corinthians.

Karin Achtelstetter: The document states that the Russian Orthodox Church - or is it any Orthodox church? - cannot be a member of an organisation whose statues, rules or procedure demand the denial of the faith and traditions of the Orthodox Church; in which the Orthodox Church is unable to express itself as One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic; in which decision-making does not take into account the ecclesiological self-understanding of the Orthodox Church; as well as in which rule and procedure presuppose the obligatory nature of the majority opinion. What does that mean concretely with regard to the World Council of Churches?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: The document says that the Russian Orthodox Church cannot participate in international or inter-Christian organisations with these criteria. I think the statement was deliberately put in hypothetical rather than in concrete terms. It does not state the criteria of an organisation of which the Russian Orthodox Church can be a member. Rather, it describes a theoretical inter-Christian organisation whose criteria do not correspond to the ecclesiological vision of the Russian Orthodox Church. This means that the Russian bishops did not want to point to any particular inter-Christian organisation. The description was meant to facilitate the choice that bishops, priests and other members of the Russian Orthodox Church sometimes have to make about joining a particular organisation or not.

Karin Achtelstetter: How would this apply - in your opinion - to the World Council of Churches?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: I think the answer is very simple. If we discover that the constitution and rules of the World Council of Churches require a renunciation of Orthodox doctrine, if we discover that the Orthodox Church has no opportunity to testify to itself as one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, if we discover that the decision-making does not take into account our ecclesiological self-awareness, and if we discover that the majority opinion has an obligatory nature within the World Council, then we are most likely to withdraw.

Karin Achtelstetter: The Russian Orthodox Church has been a member of the World Council of Churches for a long time. Do you now have doubts about your membership?

Father Hilarion Alfeyev: The discussion within the Special Commission is aimed at clarifying various Orthodox concerns. Some Orthodox believe that the World Council of Churches no longer, as it did in the past, represents the positions of the Orthodox Church. Some Orthodox say that it has in fact never represented the Orthodox adequately. For example, there are very strong voices within the Russian Orthodox Church calling for withdrawal. All the Orthodox sense that there is a great need not simply for improvement and adjustments of existing structures, but for introduction of a new structure and a new ethos. Many issues must be revisited, and an ample space for the Orthodox should be created within the Council. We have committed ourselves to the World Council of Churches until the completion of the work of the Special Commission. I think that the decision of our church on whether to remain, withdraw completely, or seek observer or any other status will depend on the final results of the work of the Special Commission.

The interview with the Secretary for Inter-Christian Affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church,The Very Rev. Dr Hilarion Alfeyev, is one of a number of interviews, features and background stories on issues related to the relationship between Orthodox churches and other member churches of the WCC.

Bishop Hilarion (Alfeyev) of Vienna and Austria is the representative of the Russian Orthodox Church to the European Institutions.

Read the entire article on the Bishop Hilarion website (new window will open).

Posted: 28-Nov-05


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The Ecumenical Challenge

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  1. Is ecumenism a viable means of witnessing Orthodoxy?
  2. Is it a legitimate means?
  3. Can two parties in dialogue reach any real agreement when the
    criteria of this dialogue and its objective are dissonant, many times
    at odds, with each other?
  4. Is there any oversight of those persons speaking for Orthodoxy?
    What is their relationship to the faithful? Who frames their agendas?
    Who finances them? Are these elites above the Church? What is their
    ultimate objective? Who are they?
  5. Are our pastors and archpastors beyond scrutiny? If not, whom do
    they answer to? Is the canonical framework and the Communion of
    Saints, the idea of "catholicity", merely a podium for certain
    "special interests" to be empowered and not for all the faithful?
  6. Are our loyalties bound to personalities or to Christ?
  7. Is our Faith deficient in that it cannot save us? Does our Faith
    possess the fulness of the Truth? Can a life lived solely in Christ in
    the Orthodox Church achieve the fulness of the life in Christ? Do any
    other traditions present this Truth? How might they?
  8. Is authority in the Church apriori based upon a Mystical Tradition
    or is this Mystical Tradition a part of a long defunct faith system of
    superstitions which has to be shored up by modern academic
    scholarship? If it is based upon a Mystical Tradition, is this
    mysticism sovereign and whole in that it is self-sufficient and
    transcendant of all times and epochs?
  9. Is there an historical judgement which allows one to establish a
    heirarchy of relative dogmas and lex orendi relative to time and
    locality? Is Tradition and "traditions" a valid relativism in regard
    to the sufficiency of Orthodox belief and piety? The question that is
    begged, was there a time when Orthodoxy and "orthopraxis" were
    insufficient or superfluous in uniting the people of God with Christ?
    10.What ultimately is the relevance of Apostolic Succession,
    Tradition, the "mind" of the Church in a time-locality specific
    relativism? (viz. Tradition and "traditions?")
    11.Is the Bible Divine Revelation? Are there parts of this revelation
    which are subject to historical or time-locality based assessment? Can
    certain parts of the Bible be dismissed as primitivism, mythical
    language, historically inaccurate fiction? Is positivism in biblical
    scholarship a valid Orthodox approach? Can modern biblical scholarship
    exist divorced from Patristic exegesis?
    12.Is there a sovereignty to Divine Revelation in the Tradition and
    the Scriptures in the Orthodox Church?
    13.Ultimately, can Orthodoxy be reduced or augmented or must it be
    reduced or augmented to aid the people of God in attaining full union
    with Christ?
    14.Can ecumenical dialogue be pursued if it breaks the unity of local
    churches or even dioceses within a local church in the Body of Christ?
    15.Is the ecumenical movement in light of these queries necessary or
    even possible in the Orthodox Church? If it is not, then must we not
    abandon it? Is it ecclesiological heresy bolstered by heretical
    protestant (masonic) presuppositions?
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