WHAT DOES +ROCOR WANT FROM THE "UNION?"

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WHAT DOES +ROCOR WANT FROM THE "UNION?"

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What does the +ROCOR want from a union with the Moscow Patriarchy?

One. The +ROCOR is seeking economic benefits. Many of our parishes
are suffering from financial distress. After all, the Moscow
Patriarchy has many business activities which give it a sizeable
income. Thus the +ROCOR is depending on help from MP largesse. It
is not unlikely that the +ROCOR bishops have already been given
a “down payment.”

Two. The +ROCOR bishops want “Eucharistic Communion" with the Moscow
Patriarchy while maintaining "independent" existence.

But this is impossible! It can only occur if both belong to the same
church which has only one head.

This arrangement is inadmissible because of Patriarch Tikhon's Ukaz
362 that states that our separation only lasts until we can once
again communicate with each other.

As soon as communications are possible and the Russian Church is
again free and canonically correct, we have to join them. That rules
out our autocephaly which is the only condition that would make such
an arrangement as described above possible.

Either we fully join them or we don't and remain truly separate,
without any “eucharistic communion.” These are the only two logical
alternatives. The rest is wishful thinking.

Now here's the "rub."

An unrepentant Alexy II, or as he is otherwise known, "Comrade
Drozdov,” will never be accepted as a true Patriarch by the +ROCOR
flock. They would rather split off to a church which will not
celebrate him! The name of Alexy II is simply repugnant to all
thinking +ROCOR parishioners. Why? They know who Alexy II worked
for.

AND. The majority of the +ROCOR faithful continually ask themselves,
“And who does Alexy II work for now?”

+ROCOR Dr Eugene L. Magerovsky Ph.D; Columbia University 1975;
Russian History and Foreign Affairs.

Read my articles at:
http://www.metanthonymemorial.org/

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What Does The MP Want From Union?

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Christ is in our midst!
The better question is what does the MP want. ROCOR has been receiving money from the wcc all this time while the MP has augmented its own wcc receipts with vatican monies, oligarch patronage and stipends from the Russian government. So ROCOR's financial gains may be a consideration inasmuch as it still receives wcc support, but it is doubtful that the MP will be paying its bills, and I would oppose that. However, what many in ROCOR fail to realize is that the undercurrent in the Russian church at this time is renewal in Traditional Orthodoxy, and ROCOR compromise undercuts the extent of that. You see, it is more comfortable for the MP heirarchy to assent to ROCOR autonomy than it is to "hand over the keys" and "clean house." ROCOR is facillitating the survival of the modernist trends in the MP while anathemizing itself. ROCOR is the vehicle for modernism here--the MP traditional Orthodoxy. Moreover, today's Russian government, even communist party, support a strong Orthodox Church; let's please begin to realize that the cold war is over and we are dealing with a resurgent Russia and a POST SOVIET REALITY. Lastly, +Alexis II has made public pennance on a number of occasions. Perhaps if ROCOR pressed for anathemas on ecumenism, modernism, sergianism, unionism with Rome something concrete could be accomplished, BUT it is not the MP's fault you suffer that scoundrel Fr. Komarovsky (Lebedeff) to sell you and the entire Russian church out. No, sir, the finger points back at you. Clean your own house--the MP is doing fine and renewing well without you and despite ROCOR.
In the LOVE of Christ,
R M Malleev-Pokrovsky, a faithful son of the MP
Please be so kind as to acquaint yourself with the monastic renewal in Russia and such foundations as Optina, Valaam, Pskovo-Pechersk,Holy Trinity-St. Sergius, etc. and their SOLID Orthodoxy...What is the ROCOR rival?!

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Post by 1937 Miraculous Cross »

Dear RM Malleev-Pokrovsky,

you wrote:

Lastly, +Alexis II has made public pennance on a number of occasions.

Can you clarify this? Do you mean he has made public pennance over being a former KGB agent?

Thanks.

in Christ,
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Pennance

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Christ is in our midst!
Beginning in 1990, +Alexis II appeared on Russian TV and asked the forgiveness of the Russian people for his collaboration with the "theomachist regime." Throughout the '90s, he repeatedly asked forgiveness, viz. the Glorification of HNM GD Elizabeth, etc., and in 2000 things culminated with the All-Russian glorification of the Holy New Martyrs at a rebuilt Christ the Saviour Cathedral no less, including the Royal Martyrs. What is lacking is an anathema against sergianism and repudiation of the course of +sergius, but +Alexis II has tried to emphasize a new era for the MP. ROCOR is not pressing the issue and their "reconciliation" hurts the cause of Traditionalist Orthodox in the MP who have long been referred to as "zarubezhniky." I am no +Alexis II apologist--I believe his time has come and gone--but the ROCOR response is to beg for crumbs at his table and compromise and submit, and this sets the Russian church back as a whole. Nothing less than pan-Russian then pan-Orthodox anathemas against ecumenism, renovationism, sergianism, unionism with Rome!!!
In the LOVE of Christ,
R M Malleev-Pokrovsky, a faithful though not uncritical son, of the MP

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Dear Mr. Malleev-Pokrovsky,

Thanks for this information, though I still don't quit understand how a ROCOR/MP union hinders the "traditionalists" in the MP.

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Traditionalists...

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A brief synopsis...

  1. "Traditionalists" in the MP have been associated with ROCOR of olde and, indeed, most of their sources have come to be what was ROCOR...
  2. As they have evolved, they have increasingly come to oppose ecumenism among other things, to the point of demanding pullout from the ecumenical movement and an anathema--this is almost the majority opinion in MP now.
  3. They have sought to promte Old Calendar in other churches as well.
  4. Since they are associated with ROCOR and ROCOR is now compromising and labelling things "schismatic" they are undercut and the heirarchy's hand is strengthened and status quo preserved.

I hope I have explained things adequately...
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