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Many times I sense that the majority of bishops in the Greec Church(es) cares little about the laymens difficult situation. First we could discuss the anti-ecumenists within the State Church who accuse the Old Calendarists to be schismatic. What have they done to solve the so called shism? Have they summoned a Ecumenical SYnod with all bishops and patriarchates to discuss this problem: No! And in the mean time they sit back and watsch the laypeolple, searching for authentic orthodoxy to go into what they understand is a schism. The Old Calendarists bishops seems more interested to create schisms with other old calendarist groups and in the same time condemn the laypeople who go to the wrong churches.

Were is the pastoral love?
Were is the pastoral responsibility?
Were is the spirit of the Saints and Holy Fathers?

According to Canons XIII, XIV, & XV of the "First-and-Second Council", no clergyman or bishop has the right to condemn and break away from his Metropolitan because of any alleged crime before a synodal hearing and investigation in accordance with canon law has occurred and a synodal verdict has been passed in regard to the accused and the alleged crime. The only case in which it is permissible to separate from one's Metropolitan before the end of such a trial is in the case that the Metropolitan is publicly, in church, "with bared-head" preaching a heresy already condemned by the Holy Councils or the Fathers. Vicar-Bishop Matthew separated from his Metropolitan before even the beginning of such a trial and without the Metropolitan preaching publicly in church "with bared-head" a heresy condemned by the Holy Councils and Fathers and declared his Metropolitan a deposed schismatic. The above cited canons declare that such persons, like Matthew and all those who separated with him, are no longer clergymen, but schismatic laymen, and they are to be excommunicated along with all those that join them. Moreover, a single bishop cannot try or depose any other bishop or clergyman by himself [cf. Canon CXVIII of Carthage and Canon II of the local Council of Constantinople]. According to cc. XII and CXI of Carthage twelve bishops are required to try a bishop, six to try a presbyter, three to try a deacon, as well as the accused clergyman's own metropolitan or bishop. In violation of these canons, Vicar-Bishop Matthew wrote to Metropolitans Chrysostom of Florina and Germanos of Demetrias as "the former-bishops" and declared them deposed without trial, without a canonical basis for indicting them, and without a synod, by himself. Thus began the Matthewite Schism.

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Un artículo que puede ser bueno para comprender los "problemas" entre "Mathewites" y "Florinites", that is to say the "old calendarist problem"

P Siluan

A REVIEW OF "THE STRUGGLE AGAINST ECUMENISM"
BY THE HOLY ORTHODOX CHURCH IN NORTH AMERICA
(BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, 1998, pages: 346, ISBN: 0-943405-09-2) by Vladimir Moss

This book has two aims, the first explicitly stated and the second implicit. The first is to provide a history of the True Orthodox Church of Greece, the so-called "Old Calendarists", in its struggle against the heresy of Ecumenism from 1924 to 1994. The second is to provide an apologia on behalf of the "Auxentiite" branch of the Greek Old Calendarist Church, and in particular of its North American affiliate centred in Boston and calling itself the Holy Orthodox Church in North America. In its first, major aim this book must be judged to have succeeded; it is probably the best book on its subject to have appeared in English, and quite possibly in any language. With regard to its second aim, however, the present reviewer remains unconvinced that the book has proved its case.

The heresy of Ecumenism was first officiallynism was first officially proclaimed by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople in its Encyclical, "To the Churches of Christ wheresoever they may be", dated 1920. In addition to recognizing the Catholics and Protestants as "fellow-heirs" of Christ with the Orthodox, this Encyclical made a number of proposals of a renovationist character, including the introduction of the new, papal or Gregorian calendar, all with the aim of bringing union between the Orthodox and the western heretics closer. That is why the introduction of the new calendar is regarded as the first concrete step (apart from the 1920 Encyclical itself) in the introduction of the heresy of Ecumenism.

In 1924, the new calendar was introduced into the State Church of Greece, and later in the same year into the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Church of Romania. This provoked the emergence of the Old Calendarist movement in Greece, Romania and some other places where the Ecumenical Patriarchate had jurisdiction (e.g. the Russian monastery of Valaam, which was on the territory of the Finnish Church, which had been granted autonomy by Constantinople). From 1924 to 1935 the movement had
a predominantly lay character, consisting of several hundred thousand Greek laymen and women with only a few priests (mainly hieromonks from Mount Athos) and no bishops. In 1935, however, three bishops from the new calendar State Church of Gar State Church of Greece (two of them consecrated before 1924) returned to the Old Calendar and consecrated four new bishops. They then proclaimed that the State Church had fallen into schism and was deprived of the grace of sacraments.

The years 1935 to 1937 probably represented the peak of the Greek Old Calendarist Church, with a united and rapidly expanding membership that posed a serious threat to the official church. In 1937, however, after persecution from the State Church had reduced the number of Old Calendarist bishops to four, a tragic schism took place between two factions that came to be called the "Florinites" (after their leader, Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Florina) and the "Matthewites" (after Bishop Matthew of Bresthena) respectively. The "Florinites" declared that the new calendarists were only "potentially" and not "actually" schismatics, and still retained the grace of sacraments. The "Matthewites" considered that this was a betrayal of the 1935 confession and broke communion with the "Florinites".

By the late 1940s the Florinites had only one bishop (Metropolitan Chrysostomos) but the majority of the clergy and laity, while the Matthewites had two bishops (Matthew and Germanos, the latter of whom was in prison). Attempts at union between the two factions foundered not only on the question of grace, but also on Metropolitan Chrysostomos' refusal to consecrate anyl to consecrate any more bishops (even after Bishop Germanos had rejoined him). So in 1948, fearing that the Old Calendarist Church would again find itself without bishops, Bishop Matthew was persuaded (not immediately, but only after several years of pressure from his supporters) to consecrate some bishops on his own, the first of whom was Bishop Spyridon of Trimythus (Cyprus).

At this point the authors of "The Struggle against Ecumenism" make their first error of fact. On page 64 they write: "The saintly Spyridon of Trimithus spent the last years of his life in seclusion, refusing to celebrate as a hierarch because he had repented of being consecrated in this completely uncanonical way [that is, by one bishop alone]." This is not true. In 1981 Bishop Spyridon's closest disciple, Abbot Chrysostomos of Galactotrophousa monastery, near Larnaca, Cyprus, told the present reviewer a very different story - which is supported by the letters to him of Bishop Spyridon himself. He said that shortly after starting to serve as the only Old Calendarist bishop in Cyprus in 1949, Bishop Spyridon was exiled from the island to Greece by the British acting at the behest of the new calendarists. After some years, the Matthewite Synod decided to replace Spyridon as bishop in Cyprus. They invited Monk Epiphanius to Greece and ordained him to the priesthood. Then, in 1957 an election took place in Cyprus at lace in Cyprus at which Fr. Epiphanius was elected to the episcopate, which was followed by his consecration in Greece. All this took place, however, without the blessing of the still-living Bishop of Cyprus, Spyridon, who refused to recognize Bishop Epiphanius. And he told his disciples on Cyprus, including Abbot Chrysostomos (who had been his candidate for the episcopate), not to serve with Bishop Epiphanius. Meanwhile, he entered into seclusion in Greece and did not serve with the Matthewites as a protest. After some time Abbot Chrysostomos entered into communion with Bishop Epiphanius, for which he was punished by his spiritual father, Bishop Spyridon. So he again broke communion with Epiphanius. The Matthewites responded by defrocking Abbot Chrysostomos (although he was simply following the command of his spiritual father), but did not touch Bishop Spyridon until his death in 1963. A few years ago, shortly before his death, Abbot Chrysostomos' defrocking was rescinded by the Matthewite Synod. When his remains were exhumed they were discovered to be partially incorrupt...

In spite of this error the schism between the Florinites and the Matthewites is in general treated with admirable fairness by the authors of "The Struggle against Ecumenism". This is important, not only because the schism still exists (and has now been transposed onto Russian, American and West European soil), bu European soil), but also because existing accounts in English are heavily biassed in favour of the Florinites. But the Boston authors, while in general inclining towards the Florinites, not only note that "Bishop Matthew's integrity, personal virtue, and asceticism were admitted by all" (his relics are very fragrant, and he was a wonderworker both before and after his death in 1950), but also give reasons for supposing that a union between Chrysostomos and Matthew could have been effected if it had not been for the zeal without knowledge of certain of Matthew's supporters. They also do not conceal the fact that in 1950 Metropolitan Chrysostomos repented of his confession of 1937 and returned to his confession of 1935, declaring that the new calendarists were deprived of sacraments. In fact, this remained the official confession of faith of all factions of the Greek Old Calendarist Church until the appearance of the "Synod of Resistors" led by Metropolitan Cyprian of Fili and Oropos in 1984.

The Boston authors continue their history of the Old Calendarist movement by relating how the Florinites, after the death of Metropolitan Chrysostomos in 1955, eventually received a renewal of their hierarchy through the Russian Church Abroad in the 1960s, and how the Matthewites also achieved recognition by the Russian Church Abroad in 1971. Again, the treatment of this phase in the history is objethe history is objective and fair. Especially valuable is the translation of all the relevant documents in full and with a helpful commentary.

The rest of the book is mainly devoted to a defence of the Florinite Archbishop Auxentius of Athens, who was defrocked by a Synod composed of the majority of the Florinite bishops in 1985. The Boston authors do not hide the fact that Auxentius made many mistakes; but their account of these mistakes, and especially of his trial in 1985, is sketchy and biassed. They write: "Some of His Beatitude's mistake were notable, while others were debatable. His errors were often mistakes made in good faith, often on the advice of clergy who wittingly or unwittingly misled him." (pp. 125, 129). However, it is one thing for the Boston authors to try and see extenuating factors alleviating the guilt of their archpastor - charity (and the canonicity of their own ecclesiastical position) demanded that. But it is another to slander those other Orthodox bishops who tried to introduce canonical order into the Church in the only canonical way open to them - by a hierarchical trial conducted according to the holy canons. Whatever the personal virtues of Auxentius, in the opinion of the present reviewer the Boston authors have not succeeded in demonstrating that his defrocking in 1985 was not canonical and just.

The second half of the book consists of a number of uss of a number of useful appendices on various topics related to Ecumenism.

In conclusion, this book can be recommended both as a history of the Greek Old Calendarist Church and as a good introduction to the ecclesiological issues surrounding the great heresy of our time, Ecumenism. However, for those seeking to know to find a clear answer to the question: which of the many Greek Old Calendarist jurisdictions is the most canonical and true?, this book will provide a mixture of light and darkness. Such seekers for clarity and truth will have to conduct further research, and investigate other points of view.

Vladimir Moss, the author of this review, was baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, but is now a member of the Free Russian Orthodox Church under the omophorion of Archbishop Valentine of Suzdal and Vladimir.

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Dear Nikodemus,

You wrote:

Vicar-Bishop Matthew separated from his Metropolitan before even the beginning of such a trial and without the Metropolitan preaching publicly in church "with bared-head" a heresy condemned by the Holy Councils and Fathers and declared his Metropolitan a deposed schismatic.

Bp. Matthew was not a "vicar" bishop. I don't have the letter in front of me to quote, but I can track this down where a letter is written to Bp. Chrysostom of Florina, mentioning Bp. Matthew as a "Metropolitan". Additionally, bp. Matthew's diocese was Bresthena. (I thought vicar bishops aren't assigned to specific dioceses.) I have heard it explained that initally, all the newely consecrated OC bishops were considered "vicars", and that Bp. chrysostom was known as "formerly of Florina" , because in 1935 they were hoping the New Calendar bishops would revert back to the Church Calendar and they didn't want to assign bishops to dioceses that were already occupied.

In general this "vicar" title is used solely against Bp. Matthew by the Florinite critics without evidence of any proof. Also, it is used to demean him in some way, without the recognition that bp. Matthew was an Elder in the Church and confessor to hundreds on Mt. Athos and was appointed head of the Athonite menthochian in Athens by St. Nectarios. St. Nectarios even elevated him to Archimandrite and gave his epigonation to him. So, my point is that bp. Matthew was an Elder in the Church who was well respected and recognized. It really makes no sense to single him out as being ordained a "vicar". If he was really a vicar, so too were the rest...for the reasons stated above.

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Vicar-Bishop Matthew separated from his Metropolitan before even the beginning of such a trial and without the Metropolitan preaching publicly in church "with bared-head" a heresy condemned by the Holy Councils and Fathers and declared his Metropolitan a deposed schismatic.

The president of the TOC was Met. Germanos of Demetria. Bp. Matthew and Bp. Germanos of Cyclades "separated" from Germanos of Demetria and Chrysostom of Florina because the later two adopted the heretical ecclesiology of "potential" schism on the part of State Church in complete contradiction to their 1935 public declaration that the New Calendar was a schism without Grace. (nothing "potential" about this.)
The entire TOC, even prior to the return of the 3 intial bishops had already rejected and condemed the ecclesiology of the New Calendar being in "potential" schism. The New Calendar was anathematized and condemned several times over prior to 1935. So, in kind rebuttal to your comment, it was not Bps. Matthew or Germanos of Cyclades who left their President, but it was Germanos of Demetrias and Chrysostom of Florina who left the Church at this point.

In a later epistle, Bp. Matthew told Bp. Chrystostom of Florina that they would be brothers in Christ again, by the later simply returning to his original confession of 1935. No groveling, no brow beating... and he never publicly or in writing called Bp. Chrysostom a heretic or being without Grace, unlike Chry. of Florina who wrote this about Matthew.

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Vicar-Bishop Matthew wrote to Metropolitans Chrysostom of Florina and Germanos of Demetrias as "the former-bishops" and declared them deposed without trial, without a canonical basis for indicting them, and without a synod, by himself. Thus began the Matthewite Schism.

I will appeal to using the same Canons you mention in your own post, that of Apostolic Canon XV, on those who can seperate from their president on account of the later's "bare headed" heresy. Bp. Chrysostom of Florina is the one who changed his ecclesiology, NOT Bp. Matthew or Bp. Germanos of Cyclades. By preaching "bare headedly" that the the New Calander was only potentially, not actually in schism, in contradiction to the previous anathemas, and even the Synodicon of the Sunday of Orthodoxy: 'To those who reject the Councils of the Holy Fathers and their TRADITION, which is in accord with the Divine Revelation and is being piously PRESERVED by the Orthodox Catholic Church - ANATHEMA! (emphasis mine)

The unity of the Church is in the unity of confession of her bishops. bp. Matthew never ceded from the origial confession, but Met.Chrysostom did.

As a side point, Bp. Matthew did indeed approach his senior bishops for explanation and wrote an epistle to the Synod on June 17, 1937. There was no reply. Again on July 5, 1937 he wrote another letter to the President, Germanos of Demetria to convoke a council to discuss the matter. This too was unanswered. On Sept. 5th, 1937, because of the two senior bishops continued preaching of their new alternate confession, bp. Matthew severed communion.

Is the problem really Bp. Matthew and Bp. Germanos of Cyclades causing the schism, or is it the two senior bishops who began to preach an already condemned ecclesiology, ie, "potential" vs "actual" schism. The idea that something could be declared in schism but not really, has never been in the Church. If the senior bishops wanted to express this new ecclesiology, why didn't they summon a Synodal meeting to discuss their new opinions first?

Unfortunately, there has not been an English publication showing the "Matthewite' position, but there will be one coming soon. Until, now most of the information available has been slanted towards the Florinte perspective, often with key pieces of this sad history being omitted.

Furthermore, since your topic was about Greek bishops caring litte about the laity and that the OC bishops like to create schisms, why spend so much time picking on one "schism' when there have been multiple schisms within the Florinite lineage, that continue today.
One may ask, why even bring up something that will cause contention?

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What have any of the other Jurisdictions done for the lay-people aswell ?
Besides the OCA, and Antiochians all others sometimes leave the lay-people all alone..especially the ones not native to the native tongue of the jurisdictions...........this seems to be just Priests, the Bishops are more responsive, but you almost have to corner them and say listen Im in a life or death situation here.............sad but True

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Niphon,

Back in 1992 when I was discovering the Orthdoxy church, I initally visited a New Cal. Greek parish here in Austin. I came early, watched the liturgy, and stood around and not a single person came up to me to greet me. Eventually, a woman who was a convert talked with me and she told me to go to the local Antiochian church instead as they had more converts and would not be as clannish. At that time their services ( the Greeks) were being held in a very small building on part of an Episcopal church. the clergy certainly would have seen me and could have greeted me as well. I've been to ROCOR parishs were the same thing happened too. If you're not russian, they wonder why you're there. I guess it can be a problem everywhere.

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Only a Synod can judge the bishops in the New Calendar Church.

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Dear Nikodemus,

You wrote:

Only a Synod can judge the bishops in the New Calendar Church.

What is your understanding of what a synod is?

Also, are you aware of the several Patriarchates that condemned
the New Calendar prior to the 1935 Declaration by the initial
3 Old Calendar bishops?

in Christ,
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