TOWARDS a Russian mission in Europe?

Jean-Serge · Post by **Jean-Serge** » Wed 24 August 2005 4:52 pm

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=233

23 August 2005, 10:14
Union of Orthodox Citizens appeals to Alexy II to break all relations with the Vatican and start missionary work in Europe and America

Moscow, August 23, Interfax - As the Uniates have become more active in Ukraine the Orthodox public have appealed to Patriarch Alexy of Moscow and All Russia to end all relations with the Roman Catholic Church and begin missionary work in Europe and America.

‘It is necessary to accept in the fold of the Orthodox Church all the Old Catholic communities who wish to join it, to establish a Russian Orthodox school for training Latin-rite clergy for service in Europe and America and to develop intensive Orthodox missionary work there’, an appeal of the Union of Orthodox Citizens to Patriarch Alexy states.

The authors of the appeal, the text of which was given to Interfax, believe that any relations with the Vatican should be interrupted since the Catholic Church is believed to use them only for her own purposes.

‘In our view, any agreement with the RCC pursues exclusively the Vatican’s interests and prevents the Church of Christ from carrying out the service commanded by the Lord. There is only one way to beat a card-sharper - not to sit at a card-table with him’, the Union of Orthodox Citizens maintains.

I hope the Patriarch of Moscow will follow this advice... We really lack a real Orthodox mission in our countries. If Moscow decides to do this, I would be happy...

However, I am not very enthusiast at reading that Latin-rite clergy could be trained. Indeed, the West lost its traditionnal Orthodox liturgies. The rite should the same as all Orthodox churches...

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Thu 25 August 2005 1:14 pm

The great problem is that if the MP will take charge of this dissemination of the "Orthodoxy, it will be rather a dissemination of the sergiasnism... And between Papism and Sergianim, I don't know what is worse... It is more both are very similar, some obey Pope and others serve who has power in Russia

Jean-Serge · Post by **Jean-Serge** » Fri 26 August 2005 6:38 am

No I disagree with this opinion. If the MP spreas orthodoxy in Western Europe, this orthodoxy will become very quickly free from Sergianist influence because it would be out of the boarders of Russia. The majority of faithfuls would be Westerners who are not interested in serving the Russian state...Moreover in spite of Sergianism, it could be a bridge to move towards true Orthodoxy

I am not very fond at all of MP, but if they launch a mission I would applaude...

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Fri 26 August 2005 11:51 am

The segianismo is the servility to the State, be which was.. on the other hand I don't believe that Alexy II try to respond with a "Orthodox Evagelizacion" in Western Europe... I think that the MP and the other Patriarchates don't have basic material (material human etc), neither the force to carry out such an objective.

pjhatala · Post by **pjhatala** » Fri 26 August 2005 12:01 pm

Priest Siluan wrote:
The segianismo is the servility to the State, be which was.. on the other hand I don't believe that Alexy II try to respond with a "Orthodox Evagelizacion" in Western Europe... I think that the MP and the other Patriarchates don't have basic material (material human etc), neither the force to carry out such an objective.

The MP has clearly stated on MANY occasions that they REJECT sergianism.
THEY ARE NOT SERGIANISTS. READ.

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Fri 26 August 2005 12:16 pm

pjhatala wrote:
The MP has clearly stated on MANY occasions that they REJECT sergianism.
THEY ARE NOT SERGIANISTS. READ.

The facts demonstrate another thing

Jean-Serge · Post by **Jean-Serge** » Fri 26 August 2005 4:43 pm

Priest Siluan wrote:
I think that the MP and the other Patriarchates don't have basic material (material human etc), neither the force to carry out such an objective.

Yes it is true. But the Apostles had no material or human materials too... It is first a question of will. Up to now, no patriarchate has ever thought about lauching a missien in the Western world. They are only interersted in their emigration and keeping good links with the Papist church... A good step would be having the will of creating a mission. It could be done step by step from the existing Orthodox churches in Europe and the US...