Serbian Genocide

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Serbian Genocide

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I need to share this info, because I am truely appalled. It is sickening to the heart.

A letter from Prvoslav Grisogono(Croatian politician) to papist primate Stepinac, on Feb. 8, 1942 about the activities of the Ustashi and the clergy that were with them...

I am writing to you as a man to a man, as Christian to a Christian. I have been meaning to do this for months hoping that the dreadful news from Croatia would cease so that I could collect my thoughts and write to you in peace.

For the last ten months Serbs have been killed and destroyed in Croatia in the most ruthless manner and the value of their property that has been destroyed reaches billions. Blushes of shame and anger cover the faces of every honest Croat.

The slaughter of Serbs began from the very first day of the establishment of the Independent State of Croatia(Gospic, Gudovan, Bosanska Krajina, etc) and has continued relentlessly to this very day. The horror is not only in the killing. The killing includes everybody: old men, women and children. With accompanying barbarian torture. These innocent Serbs have been impaled, fire has been lit on their bare chest, they have been roasted alive, burned in their homes and churches while still living, covered with boiling water and then their skin peeled off and salt poured into their wounds, their eyes have been pulled out, their ears, noses and tongues cut off, the priests have had their beards and mustaches torn off from thier skulls, their sex organs severed and put into their mouths, they have been tied to trucks and then dragged along the gound, nails have been pressed into their heads, their heads nailed to the floor, they have been thrown alive into wells and over cliffs, and grenades thrown after them, their heads smashed agaisnt walls, their backs broken against rocks and tree stumps, and many other horrible tortures were perpetrated, such as normal people can hardly imagine.

Their rivers Sava, Drava, the Danube and their tributaries have carried thousands and thousands of their corpses. Dead bodies have been found with the inscription:"direction Belgrade-traveling to King Peter". In a boat which was found on the Sava river there was a heap of children's heads with the head of a woman(which could have been a head of one of the mothers of the chidren) with the inscription:"Meat fo the Jovanova Market in Belgrade".

Horrifiying is the case of Mileva Bozinic from Stanbandza whose child was removed from her womb. There was also the case of the roasted heads in Bosnia, the vessels full of Serbian blood, the cases of Serbs being forced to drink the warm blood of their slaughtered kin. Countless women, girls and children in front of their mothers were raped or else sent off to Ustashi camps to serve the Ustashi; rapes even took place on the altars of Orthodox churches....The slaughter of the Serbs in the Glina Orthodox church and the murder of Serbs on the altar of the Kladusa church is without precedent in history. There are detailed and original accounts of all these horrors. Even the Germans and Italians were astounded by these criems. They photographed a huge number of cases of such slaughter. The Germans are saying that the Croatians did this also during the Thirty-years War and that is why there has been a saying in Germany since then: God save us from plague, hunger and Croats.

Ther Srem Germans despise us because of this and behave in a more humane fashion with Serbs. The Italians photographed a vessel with 3.5 kilograms of Serbian eyes, as well as a Croat who wore a necklace strung with Serbian eyes and another one who came to Dubrovnik with a belt on which severed Serbian tongues were hanging!

The horrors of the camps in which thousands of Serbs were killed or were left to die from exposure, hunger and cold weather, are too terrible to mention. The Germans have been talking about a camp in Lika where there were thousands of Serbs: but when the Germans got there, they found the camp empty, drenched in blood and bloody clohing. In that camp it has been said a Serbian bishop also lost his life. Thousands upon thousands of Serbs in the camp of Jasenovac are still being tortured as they are spending fierce winter in wooden Gypsy shacks with no straw or covering and with a ration of two potatoes per day. In the history of Europe there have been no similar cases. One would have to go to Asia at the time of Tamerlane, or Genghis-Khan or to Africa, to the countries of their bloodthirsty rulers to come upon similar situations. These events have shamed the name of Croatia for centuries to come. Nothing can absolve us fully from this ever again. We will not be able to tell even the last wretched man in the Balkans about our thousand year old Croatian culture, because even the Gypsies never perpetrated such cruelites. Why I am writing this to you, when you are not a political personage and cannot bear responsibility for all this(sic!). Here is why: in all these unprecedented barbarian crimes which are more than Godless, our catholic church participated in two ways. A large number of clergy, priests, friars and organized catholic youth took an active part in all this. It has also happened that catholic priests became camp guards and Ustashi accomplices and so approved of the torture and slaughter of Christians. A catholic priest even personally slaughtered an Orthodox clergyman. They could not have done all this without the permission of their bishops, and if they did, then they would have had to lose their jobs and taken to court. Since this did not happen, it means that their bishops granted them permission.

Secondly, the catholic church made use of all this to convert the surviving Serbs. And while the soil was still steaming from the innocent victims' blood, while groans shuddered from the chest of the surviving victims, the priests, friars , nuns(!) carried in one hand the Ustashi daggers and in the other their prayer books and rosaries. The whole of Srem is inundated with leaflets written by Bishop Aksamovic and printed in his printing shop in Djakovo, calling upon Serbs to save their lives and property by converting to catholicism. It was as if our church wanted to show that it could destroy souls just as the Ustashi authorities destroy bodies. It is an even greater blot on the catholic church, since at the same time many Orthodox churches, all the Orthodox monasteries have been confiscated, their property plundered as well as many historical treasures. Even the Patriarchal church in Sremski Karlovci has not been spared. All this violence against conscience and the spirit has brought even greater disgrace to the Croat nation and name.

I could not imagine what these people went through. In the Stolac region, a "priest" Tomas Ilja forced the people to convert to catholisim. They did it because they thought they could survive. They were murdered soon after. The papist missionaries considered this a method of saving their souls. These are not ordinary, ignorant papist priests. These are Jesuit militia; the army clergy of the pope. These Jesuits wanted to destroy Orthodoxy.

There are many more examples I can give, but I think this says enough.

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:o I can't believe what I just read - my mind doesn't want to accept that humans could be so cruel to fellow humans. May God have mercy, and may the perpetrators of such evil come to repentance.

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You might want to check the website of the Serbian Orthodox Archdiocese of Raska and Prizren. There you will see how the suffering of the Orthodox Serbs is continuing to this day: http://www.kosovo.com
If you click on this link, you will see a webpage of photographs of ancient Serbian Orthodox Churches which have been destroyed and desecrated:
http://www.kosovo.com/destruction.html
If you click on this link, you will see a webpage of photographs of desecrated Serbian Orthodox Icons.
http://www.kosovo.com/icons.html
If you click on this link, you will see a webpage of photographs of murdered, tortured and starved Orthodox Serbs.
http://www.kosovo.com/photo_story.html
This is Orthodoxy going through the Golgotha of modern martyrdom. But wait on, the Patriarchate of Serbia is a member of the World Council of Churches- so these people are "World Orthodox ecumenists" aren't they?
We Orthodox living in the West can become so comfortable that we have nothing better to do than to pick fault with one another, and take a cyncial and divisive stance to everything- I note this forum now has a poll voting for the "worst Patriarch", and Patriarch Pavle of Serbia is listed as an option.
The Roman Catholics, have now "beatified" the "Butcher of the Serbs", Cardinal Aloysius Stepinac, in preparation for his canonisation as a "Saint"- the man who orchestrated and led the torture and slaughter of a million and a half Orthodox Serbs during WWII. The Vatican must really be laughing at us now when they see things like the "worst Patriarch" poll on this forum....
I wonder what the New Serbian Orthodox Martyrs who can see this from Heaven think about it? Or perhaps we enlightened traditionalists don't consider them to be Martyrs since they are "World Orthodox Ecumenists"?

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bravo george!

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I think that a martyr for Orthodoxy, who is under the jurisdiction of ecumenist Patriarchs, is still a martyr. He/She was killed for being Orthodox, which are hated by the papists. They weren't killed for being Serbians, they were killed for being Orthodox, hence the desecration of the churches. It was a clear message.

It certainly looks like they are trying to destroy Orthodoxy, by killing the body of the church, the people, whether Serbian, Russian, Greek or other.

But wait on, the Patriarchate of Serbia is a member of the World Council of Churches- so these people are "World Orthodox ecumenists" aren't they?

Yes, they are a memeber of the WCC and they are betraying the blood of their fellow Serbs that died at the hands of papist butchers because they were Orthodox. How very, very sad.

We Orthodox living in the West can become so comfortable that we have nothing better to do than to pick fault with one another, and take a cyncial and divisive stance to everything-

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement. Is it something that I stated? Are you being sarcastic? Sometimes, it's difficult to tell what a person is trying to say. Who is being picky? Who is taking a cynical and decisive stance?

I wonder what the New Serbian Orthodox Martyrs who can see this from Heaven think about it? Or perhaps we enlightened traditionalists don't consider them to be Martyrs since they are "World Orthodox Ecumenists"?

Again. Who are you aiming at, with this comment?

SrbMama seems to get the gist. I'm a little dull in the head and need it spelled out for me. I'm not being cheeky. I mean it. I don't understand your comments.

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joasia wrote:

Again. Who are you aiming at, with this comment?
SrbMama seems to get the gist. I'm a little dull in the head and need it spelled out for me. I'm not being cheeky. I mean it. I don't understand your comments.

Dear in Christ Joanna,
My comments are not aimed at you. I didn't mean to give that impression.
The germans have a word: "Zeitgeist" which literally translates as "time ghost" or "spirit of the time". For example, the zeitgeist which led to the 1917 Russian Revolution was one of 'radicalism' and 'utopianism'.
There is currently a very negative zeitgeist among some in the Church, particularly in the US as shown by some of the posts on this forum, particularly in the so-called "World Orthodox" section. The very existence of a "World Orthodox" section is another manifestation of this zeitgeist. I have challenged the necessity and meaning of the "World Orthodox" section on this forum and have yet to receive a satisfactory reason for it's existence. Another issue is Orthodox Christians on this forum who call other Orthodox Christians "schismatics"- which, as I have explained in other threads, places somebody outside the Church, whether it is "us" or "them".
According to the definition of "World Orthodox" given on this forum, the Patriarchate of Serbia is "World Orthodox" and "heretical" and, some on this forum would say (and have already said)that the Patriarchate of Serbia are not part of the Church at all because of this.
The icing on the cake was seeing a "rate the Patriarchs" poll which typifies the divisiveness of the current zeitgeist on this forum.
So it is not you I was aiming my comments at, but rather, they are aimed at the current zeitgeist in the Euphrosynos Cafe.
George

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joasia wrote:

Yes, they are a memeber of the WCC and they are betraying the blood of their fellow Serbs that died at the hands of papist butchers because they were Orthodox. How very, very sad.

So are you saying, in accordance with the current zeitgeist on this forum, that the Orthodox Serbs being slaughtered today in Kosovo are not martyrs? We cannot have it both ways, Joanna. We cannot call someone both a "martyr" and a "betrayer" of Orthodoxy.

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