CHALLENGE FOR ALL CHRISTIAN DREAMERS!

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CHALLENGE FOR ALL CHRISTIAN DREAMERS!

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CHALLENGE #1

BEFORE YOU GO TO SLEEP TONIGHT, Pick any subject matter and say outloud so you can hear it:

"I would like to know The Truth about ( mouth out the subject you
pick) go to sleep and when you wake up you will KNOW THE ANSWER.

YOU CAN KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SECRET FORMULA FOR COCA COLA, KFC, ANYTHING AT ALL!!!!

REMEMBER YOU ARE ASKING TO KNOW THE TRUTH - SO PREPARE YOUR MIND TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

POST HERE WHAT YOU ASKED TO FIND OUT AND WHAT ANSWER WAS GIVEN TO YOU!

  • Gabriel

"The Dreamworld IS REAL"

PAY ATTENTION to your dreams

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I wish things were really that easy!

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I'm sure what you are saying works sometimes. For some people, it might work most of the time. The demons will do anything to divert our attention from the holy triune God.

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Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL CHRISTIAN DREAMERS!

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gabriel7777 wrote:

"The Dreamworld IS REAL"

PAY ATTENTION to your dreams

"The spiritists of our time accept every appearance from the spiritual world as sent by God and immediately boast that it has been 'revealed' to them. I was myself acquainted with an eighty-year-old monk who was respected by everyone as a great spiritual guide. When I asked him if he had ever seen any being from the spiritual world in his lifetime, he answered me: 'No, never; and praise be to God for his mercy!' Seeing my astonishment at this, he said: 'I have constantly prayed to God that nothing should ever appear to me, lest I fall into illusion and accept a devil disguised as an angel. And, until now, God has heard my prayer." St. Nicolai Velimirovich, The Prologue


Demons often transform themselves into angels of light and take the form of martyrs, and make it appear to us during sleep that we are in communication with them. Then, when we wake up, they plunge us into unholy joy and conceit. But you can detect their deceit by this very fact. For angels reveal torments, judgments and separations; and when we wake up we find that we are trembling and sad. As soon as we begin to believe the demons in dreams, then they make sport of us when we are awake too. He who believes in dreams is completely inexperienced. But he who distrusts all dreams is a wise man. Only believe dreams that warn you of torments and judgments. But if despair afflicts you, then such dreams area also from demons. St John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent", Step 3: On Exile or Pilgrimage (Boston: Holy Transfiguration Monastery, 1978)

Q: I have heard that if one and the same dream appears to someone three times, one should recognize it as true; is this so, my Father?
A: No, this is wrong; such a dream also one need not believe. He who has appeared once to anyone falsely can do this three times and more. Watch, lest you be put to shame (by the demons), but pay heed to yourself, brother. "Saints Barsanuphius and John: Guidance Toward Spiritual Life," trans. by Fr. Seraphim Rose, (Platina, California: St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, 1990)


Q: Tell me, Master, how can the devil dare in a vision or a fantasy during sleep to show the Master Christ or Holy Communion?
A: He cannot show the Master Christ Himself, nor Holy Communion, but he lies and presents the image of some man and simple bread; but the holy Cross he cannot show, for he does not find means of depicting it in another form.

Inasmuch as we know the true sign and image of the Cross, the devil does not dare to use it (for our deception); for on the Cross his power was destroyed, and by the Cross a fatal wound was given him. The Master Christ we cannot recognize by the flesh, which is why the devil tries to convince us by lying that it is He, so that having believed the deception as if it were truth, we might perish. And thus, when you see in a dream the image of the Cross, know that this dream is true and from God; but strive to receive an interpretation of its significance from the Saints, and do not believe your own idea. May the lord enlighten the thoughts of your mind, O brother, so that you might escape every deception of the enemy. "Saints Barsanuphius and John: Guidance Toward Spiritual Life," trans. by Fr. Seraphim Rose, (Platina, California: St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, 1990)

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Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL CHRISTIAN DREAMERS!

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Wow, this is dumb.

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Just thought I'd add to this thread and say thankyou Mykael for the quotes you've posted in reply to gabriel. I also agree with what you said Justin, we need to be careful what we do believe. I think it's safer to just forget the dreams that you had as soon as you wake up because most likely it is from the demons and not from God.

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the sinner, Mary

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From "An Athonite Gerontikon- Sayings of the Holy Fathers of Mount Athos"

A former Hegumen named Neophytos, a Docheiaritan, was in the year 1880 in his cell of the Archangels in Small St. Anne's. It seems that he had a dream in which he had venerated and kissed the toe of the Great St. Basil. This dream was enough to create pride and arrogance in his soul, since he figured that he must be seeing and venerating Saints. He constantly thought about this dream with the result that his prayer time and daily rule suffered.
A long time passed, and the Almighty God illumined him to visit the well known confessor Father Gregorios, an ascetic who lived in total poverty in a little hut farther away in the same skete. He said, My brother, you have venerated a big devil and not Basil the Great. I beg you from now on not to pay any attention to dreams, which the conniving devil uses to deceive people."

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