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MP has oil to burn?

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The last sentence is the interesting one. I once read about 3 or 4 years ago, I thought is was in Time, that in the early '90s the MP was given huge interest in Russian tobacco companies, oil companies, and Vodka manufacturers as reparations for the property damage done by the communists.

I always only half beleived it, but thought it was also a good explaination on how the MP could afford all these expensive new churches and restoration projects, while churches and donation baskets are only marginally filled. According to my friend who lives in St. Petersburg, very few Russians go to Church regularly.

But this is the first time I've seen another source claiming this.

My concerns are as follows...

1) I don't trust the media, especially secular media, however...
2) If this is true, it would of course not be something the MP would advertise, but would rather conceal -that is, there involvement in these industries.


By Brian Ross
ABCNEWS.com
Jan. 29— ABCNEWS has obtained an extraordinary list that contains the names of prominent people around the world who supported Saddam Hussein’s regime and were given oil contracts as a result. All of the contracts were awarded from late 1997 until the U.S.-led war in March 2003. They were conducted under the aegis of the United Nations’ oil-for-food program, which was designed to allow Iraq to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods.

The document was discovered several weeks ago in the files of the Iraqi Oil Ministry in Baghdad.

According to a copy obtained by ABCNEWS, some 270 prominent individuals, political parties or corporations in 47 countries were on a list of those given Iraq oil contracts instantly worth millions of dollars.
Today, the U.S.Treasury Department said that any American citizens found to be illegally involved could face prosecution.

"You are looking at a political slush fund that was buying political support for the regime of Saddam Hussein for the last six or seven years," said financial investigator John Fawcett.

Investigators say none of the people involved would have actually taken possession of oil, but rather just the right to buy the oil at a discounted price, which could be resold to a legitimate broker or oil company, at an average profit of about 50 cents a barrel.

List Includes Prominent Names
Among those named: Indonesia President Megawati Sukarnoputri, an outspoken opponent of U.S.-Iraq policy, who received a contract for 10 million barrels of oil — about a $5 million profit.

The son of the Syrian defense minister received 6 million barrels, according to the document, worth about $3 million.

George Galloway, a British member of Parliament, was also on the list to receive 19 million barrels of oil, a $90.5 million profit. A vocal critic of the Iraq war, Galloway denied any involvement to ABCNEWS earlier this year.
"I’ve never seen a bottle of oil, owned one or bought one," Galloway said in a previous interview with ABCNEWS.

According to the document, France was the second-largest beneficiary, with tens of millions of barrels awarded to Patrick Maugein, a close political associate and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac.
Maugein, individually and through companies connected to him, received contracts for some 36 million barrels. Chirac’s office said it was unaware of Maugein’s deals, which Maugein told ABCNEWS are perfectly legal.
The single biggest set of contracts were given to the Russian government and Russian political figures, more than 1.3 billion barrels in all — including 92 million barrels to individual officials in the office of President Vladimir Putin.

Another 1 million barrels were contracted to the Russian ambassador to Baghdad, 137 million barrels of oil were given to the Russian Communist Party, and 5 million barrels were contracted to the Russian Orthodox Church.

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OOD,

[quote]I thought is was in Time, that in the early '90s the MP was given huge interest in Russian tobacco companies, oil companies, and Vodka manufacturers as reparations for the property damage done by the communists. [/quote]

So if they were given these as reparations for the damage done by
the communists, was this wrong?

It will be interesting to see why you brought this subject up. I guess
I wasn't clear as to the purpose.....

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

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Rd. Chrysostomos,

I brought it up as many things are brought up, I suppose it is an interesting relationship between "Church" and corporate profits.

I would certainly be concerned if the Church of Christ was running corporations selling industrial supplies, booze, cigarettes, oil ect., but as it is, it is just the MP.

But I wonder how these "secret" deals of the church formerly known as the Soviet Union impact its relations with other countries and religions; and who runs these companies, the bishops? CEO's who answer to the bishops? Are the CEO's elected by the synod? Do they offer good benefits? Can I buy stock in the Moscow Patriarchate? What kind of profits does MP, Inc. forecast for the year 2004?

These questions probably sound like sarcasm but they really shed a proper light on the implications of this. :(

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I guess that the way I view it is that the Church was given/gifted
these barrels of oil, as I am sure one gifts other things to the Church.
Oil, stock certificates, property. It is done in our country, and done
obviously in theirs.

I would surmize that gifted items...from what you posted, were given
in repairations for all the damage and destruction that the Communist
had done during their reign.

I am sure that if Russia or Greece were once again ruled by a Monarch,
and that Monarch had no problem with using their countries money to
support the Church, that here in America, that many would denouce
it.....

Of course there is a difference between a corporation and a government. :P

Also, as you said... it is just the MP, what else would YOU expect? :wink:

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http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... highlight=

I had posted this story the other day as well.....I am surprised that more people aren't talking about it...it brings up SO many questions....

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Natasha,

I didn't see your post.

Thinking about what kind of arrangements and organiations the MP has in place to run corporations and make secret oil deals with other countries stirs thoughts of a secret MP underworld.

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40 Russian Firms Accused of Hussein Ties

The Moscow Times

More than 40 Russian companies, including entities linked to the Russian Orthodox Church, the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party, allegedly took part in an illegal kickback scheme for trading Iraqi oil under Saddam Hussein's regime, according to documents obtained by Baghdad-based newspaper al-Mada.

"Almost all Russian companies that worked in Iraq [were involved in this]," said Fakhri Karim, the editor of the recently created newspaper, in an interview with Vremya Novostei published Thursday.

"There are Russian diplomats of a very high level, too," he said.

Vremya Novostei published last weekend a list of more than 270 people and organizations from 46 countries including Russia, France, China, Italy, Austria, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, who allegedly took part in a scheme to trade contraband Iraqi oil in breach of the United Nations regulated oil-for-food deal.

The newspaper says it based its list on documents obtained from the Iraqi Oil Ministry.

Iraq's Governing Council on Wednesday ordered an investigation into al-Mada's allegations.

On Thursday, the Orthodox Church called its inclusion in the list "nonsense."

"This is some kind of nonsense. I have no other word for this," Metropolitan Kirill, the head of the Orthodox Church's external relations department told reporters Thursday, Interfax reported.

"Nothing of the sort happened and could not have happened."

LDPR chief Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who was a vocal supporter of the Hussein regime, has also denied having taken part in the scheme.

"The Communist Party took part. I was told this by several representatives of the Iraqi Foreign Ministry," he said, Interfax reported.

"But I did not get one dinar, one dollar from Hussein."

A spokesperson from the Communist Party has also denied the allegations.

An al-Mada employee told Vedomosti that the list of entities taking part in the scheme also included representatives of the Chechen administration, Yabloko and Emercom.

Emercom, a trading company affiliated with the Emergency Situations Ministry, was accused by Western diplomats back in the summer of 2002 as having taken part in a kickback scheme for Iraqi oil.

At the time, the ministry denied any wrongdoing and said Emercom had not violated UN regulations in its dealings with Iraq.

A spokeswoman for Yabloko denied the allegations in an interview with Vedomosti.

Karim told Vremya Novostei that the affair was casting a pall over Russia's relations with the current Iraqi administration.

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