Holy Transfiguration Monastary

[Грешник]

Dear all,

I have some questions regarding some information I have received from an individual who seems extremely anti-ROAC. Because of this I believe that his sources of information regarding the ROAC are severly biased and misunformed. I would love it if someone could clear this all up for me.

Can someone explain to me what ROAC, if anything has to do with Holy Transfiguration Monastery? I was told that:

The Founders of this Church, [ROAC] were Deflocked by the ROCOR and by the Mosocow Patriarchate. The Founding bishop was
consecrated by a Deflocked bishop that was kicked out of
Holy Trinity Monastery. The MP called the monastery and
told them not to Consecrate him a bishop but some how or
other he did get consecrated any way. So this bishop really is not a bishop.

My understanding of this is as following.

The MP did not, they retired him since he would not join the KGB or follow the Sergianistic line. He was already in communications with ROCOR at this time and ROCOR investigated every MP claim and found it to be nothing but lies. So ROCOR not only accpeted him but made him a bishop. That speaks volumes!

Also on the point of "This Bishop and HTM this is what I know. Holy Trinity Monastery was gone from ROCOR for 10 years before ROAC was created. This is very odd how Met. Valentine has anything to do with this..

At another point I am told the following.

The Reason for the deflocking of the ROAC bishops before becoming bishops and creating the ROAC was they were caught "Deflowering" and Abuseing some Holy Nuns, in Jerusalem. Thats what I know.

This indeed very peculiar. I have never heard of this. First off, Met. Valentine and the Bishops are not in Jerusalem they are in Sudzal. The only other information I have on this or a situation simmilar to this is as follows.

ROAC accepted a bishop from the Herusalem mission, but he was supposedly in trouble for stealing money yet no charges were ever filed. Basically he was defamed for leaving ROCOR.

What amazes me is that either I am totally off or we are playing the telephone game. How is it we can go from "theft" to "rape"? Something is fishy.

I come to you all with this info as I was told:

Do a little research on your own, never mind what the ROAC clergy has say, because they will only tell you what they want you to hear.

Thank you for your hep and knowledge in this.

Sincerely,
Juvenaly

[Monk George]

The level of misinformation never ceases to increase coming from the ROCA about our Church, and that is because more and more people are waking up and realizing that the ROCA is living on a legacy that it has betrayed. I don't know if the case here is simply that the priest had no idea what he was talking about, or the poster simply convoluted everything the priest told him.

The ROAC has never had anything to do with the deposed clergy of HOCNA, other than upholding the righteous depositions of this cult.

Our hierarchy has no foundation in the MP, in fact, it is our Church alone that has anathematized the sergianists in the MP, who obtained their ecclesiastical positions through government means, which of course includes every known hierarch in the MP to date.

As far as deflowering nuns in Jerusalem, Metropolitan Valentine has never set foot in the Holy Land, so I can't imagine who he is referring to.

I suppose as a ROAC clergyman, I might be disqualified by some to reply to this slanderous posting, but if St. Ambrose of Milan exhorted us to exert an effort equal to that of the heretics in support of the truth, for fear that the truth would be utterly forgotten and buried in falsehood, can anyone blame me for standing up for Her?

George, h.

[CGW]

Weren't the original bishops of ROAC from ROCOR/ROCA?

[Seraphim Reeves]

I think the HTM angle pertains to our beloved Vladyka Gregory. What is amazing about this accusation, is that he was one of those who rebuked the illicit separation (schism) of those who would form "HOCNA", and tried to prevent them from taking this course. While from what I know he was connected with HTM while it was still in the ROCOR, he not only did not participate in it's defection, by did what he could to prevent people from following it!

It seems that there is always a new "tale" about this or that (or all) of ROAC's heirarchs and clergy with each progressing week. What is equally lamentable, is that while the various gossipy repetitions of these fibs often differ radically in their basic details, they are all taken (by the interested party) as "gospel" and as evidence of something. It's very depressing.

Seraphim

[priestmark]

I have some questions regarding some information I have received from an individual ...

Maybe you have some reason to lend credibility to someone as confused as your source obviously is, but to me it sounds like this unattributed ignorance is nothing more than gossip of the worst sort. I am not at all a fan of ROAC, but like Seraphim, I think that repeating such bizarre stuff might cause it to be believed by some and distorted by others.

The level of misinformation never ceases to increase coming from the ROCA about our Church... I don't know if the case here is simply that the priest had no idea what he was talking about, or the poster simply convoluted everything the priest told him.

I didn't see Juvenaly say that this disinformation came from either the ROCA or from a priest (using the word "deflocked"???) From whence comes this idea that it did? I have asked Juvenaly privately if Fr George's accusations are indeed true, but I received a reply without an answer to this - perhaps our messages crossed in the mail last night.

o.M

[Грешник]

I am sorry Fr. Mark it seems that the messages were a bit skewed. The information indeed came from a ROCA priest, as I was told by the author of the poost to me. If this person wishes to come forward I will leave that to them, but I am not going ot mention names unless they desire that they be known.

Juvenaly

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Juvenaly,

This is a good example of someone who has already decided matters under the influence of the passions that he must in some way denounce a group for personal reasons. I say this because this post exhibits a clear mishandling of some very commonly known facts, which could have easily been discovered with the most inept research.

One would think that to say it was "from a ROCOR priest" is a cheap way to give credit where none is deserved.

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