SCOBA & Roman Catholic Agreed Statement On the Filioque

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SCOBA & Roman Catholic Agreed Statement On the Filioque

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Agreed Statement On Filioque Adopted By North American Orthodox-Catholic Consultation

October 28, 2003

The North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation concluded a four-year study of the Filioque on October 25, when it unanimously adopted an agreed text on this difficult question that has divided the two communions for many centuries. This important development took place at the 65th meeting of the Consultation, held at St. Paul’s College in Washington, DC, under the joint chairmanship of Metropolitan Maximos of the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh and Archbishop Pilarczyk of Cincinnati.

The original version of the Creed most Christian churches accept as the standard expression of their faith dates from the First Council of Constantinople, in 381, and has been used by Orthodox Christians since that time. Towards the end, this Creed states that the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father.” The word Filioque (“and the Son”) was later added to the Latin version of this Creed used in the West, so that the phrase as most western Christians know it reads that the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” This modification appeared in some areas of Western Europe as early as the 6th century but was accepted in Rome only in the 11th century. This change in the wording of the Creed and the underlying variations in understanding the origin and procession of the Holy Spirit within the Trinity have long been considered a church-dividing issue between Catholics and Orthodox. The Consultation had been studying this question since 1999 in the hope of eventually releasing an agreed statement.

Entitled “The Filioque: A Church-Dividing Issue?”, the ten-thousand word text has three major sections. The first, “The Holy Spirit in the Scriptures,” summarizes references to the Spirit in both the Old and New Testaments. The more lengthy second section, “Historical Considerations,” provides an overview of the origins of the two traditions concerning the eternal procession of the Spirit and the slow process by which the Filioque was added to the Creed in the West. It also shows how this question concerning Trinitarian theology became entwined with disputes regarding papal jurisdiction and primacy, and reviews recent developments in the Catholic Church which point to a greater awareness of the unique and normative character of the original Greek version of the Creed as an expression of the faith that unites the Orthodox East and Catholic West. The third section, “Theological Reflections,” emphasizes our limited ability to speak of the inner life of God, points out that both sides of the debate have often caricatured the positions of the other, and lists areas in which the traditions agree. It then explores the differences that have developed regarding terminology, and identifies both theological and ecclesiological divergences that have arisen over the centuries.

In a final section, the Consultation makes eight recommendations to the members and bishops of the two churches. It recommends that they “enter into a new and earnest dialogue concerning the origin and person of the Holy Spirit.” It also proposes that in the future both Catholics and Orthodox “refrain from labeling as heretical the traditions of the other side” on this subject, and that the theologians of both traditions make a clearer distinction between the divinity of the Spirit, and the manner of the Spirit’s origin, “which still awaits full and final ecumenical resolution.” The text also urges theologians to distinguish, as far as possible, the theological issues concerning the origin of the Holy Spirit from ecclesiological issues, and suggests that attention be paid in the future to the status of councils of both our churches that took place after the seven ecumenical councils of the first millennium. And finally, in view of the fact that the Vatican has affirmed the “normative and irrevocable dogmatic value of the Creed of 381” in its original Greek version, the Consultation recommends that the Catholic Church use the same text (without the Filioque) “in making translations of that Creed for catechetical and liturgical use,” and declare that the anathema pronounced by the Second Council of Lyons against those who deny that the Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son is no longer applicable.

At this meeting the members also took time to review major developments in the lives of their churches. Among the items discussed were the seminar on Petrine Ministry that was held in the Vatican in May; the granting of autonomous status to the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America; the Orientale Lumen Conference held in Washington, DC, last June; the recent Patriarchal Assembly of the Maronite Catholic Church; the presence of a delegation from the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Rome in late June for the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul headed by Archbishop Demetrios of America; the seminar sponsored by Pro Oriente on the union of Transylvanian Orthodox with Rome in Cluj, Romania, last July; the Faith and Order response to Ut Unum Sint; statements by the two churches on same-sex marriages; and the recent meeting of the Joint Committee of Orthodox and Catholic Bishops in Baltimore.

The 66th meeting of the Consultation is scheduled to take place from June 1 to 3, 2004, at Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology in Brookline, Massachusetts, and the 67th meeting from October 21 to 23, 2004.

The North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation is sponsored jointly by the Standing Conference of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of the Americas (SCOBA), the Bishops* Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the USCCB, and the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops. Since its establishment in 1965, the Consultation has now issued 22 agreed statements on various topics. All these texts are now available on the
website of the US Catholic Conference at: http://www.usccb.org/seia/dialogues.htm

In addition to the two co-chairmen, the Orthodox members of the Consultation include Father Thomas FitzGerald (Secretary), Archbishop Peter of New York, Father Nicholas Apostola, Prof. Susan Ashbrook Harvey, Father James Dutko, Prof. Paul Meyendorff, Father Alexander Golitzin, Father Emmanuel Gratsias, Dr. Robert Haddad, Father Paul Schnierla, Father Robert Stephanopoulos, and Bishop Dimitrios of Xanthos, General Secretary of SCOBA (staff). The additional Catholic members are Father Brian Daley, SJ (secretary), Msgr. Frederick McManus, Prof. Thomas Bird, Father Peter Galadza, Msgr. John D. Faris, Father John Galvin, Sister Jean Goulet, CSC, Father Sidney Griffith, ST, Father John Long, SJ, Father David Petras, Prof. Robin Darling Young, and Father Ronald Roberson, CSP (staff).


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Re: Agreed Statement On the Filioque

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Tom, this is further writing on the wall for you to GET OUT!

TomS wrote:

It also proposes that in the future both Catholics and Orthodox “refrain from labeling as heretical the traditions of the other side” ... theologians of both traditions make a clearer distinction between the divinity of the Spirit, and the manner of the Spirit’s origin, “which still awaits full and final ecumenical resolution.” ... distinguish, as far as possible, the theological issues concerning the origin of the Holy Spirit from ecclesiological issues ... attention be paid in the future to the status of councils of both our churches that took place after the seven ecumenical councils of the first millennium

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Thanks for the post TomS.

I didn't read every word, these people are going to go around, and around, and around on this. The spent fours years on this and then say

It recommends that they “enter into a new and earnest dialogue concerning the origin and person of the Holy Spirit.”

. Ridiculous!

Besides, as far as I'm concerned St. Mark of Ephesus settled this issue nearly 600 years ago. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father end of question. Saying anything to the contrary is heretical.

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The Council in Constantinople of 879 A.D. condemned the filioque in the presence of the Papal legates and 400 bishops. John VIII, the then reigning Pope of Rome, also condemned the filioque.

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Entitled “The Filioque: A Church-Dividing Issue?”, the ten-thousand word text has three major sections.

That such a multiplication of words was found necessary to account for one word, is very telling. This is most likely an act of burying that one word by a ration of 10,000 to 1, rather than any sort of resolution - which, in any case, is impossible, since the Orthodox Church has been eminantly aware of what it was rejecting. Too much dogmatic water has gone under the bridge to even pretend that this is something with any wiggle room, even on a political level.

The tragedy is, I suspect even many of the papist delegates realize they're wrong, at least on a gut level - this whole argument serves one end only, and that is the defense of the Papacy. While everyone else need not be wrong, at the very least the Popes have to come out right in all of this, or a certain late 19th century aggrandization of the Papacy becomes a laughingstock.

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the 10,000 words on the filioque...

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i keep hearing that the OCA is strapped for cash. i wonder how much cash they spend on this kind of nonsense-airfare for the bishops, hotels, meals, and how much they contribute to this catholic-orthodox bishops dialogue? if they are indeed strapped for cash, that is reason enough for them to get out of it, and spend the money on something a little more constructive.
all these 10,000 words are is a HUGE waste of the paper its printed on; it means absolutely nothing; and, besides the fact that it illustrates the mindset of the powers that be in the OCA and the other SCOBA-ites who participate in this nonsense-WHO CARES????? on the indiana list some guy from the greek archdiocese was all excited about this, "oh the catholics have made such a positive step!" tell me when the Pope says, "I'm steppin' down..." (Not as in Pope JP II retiring, as in any Pope, representing the Papacy in general, abolishing the postion...)
Now THAT will be a positive step....
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OCA OFFICIAL WEBSITE: North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation Meets in Washington, DC

WASHINGTON, DC [SCOBA] -- The North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation continued its reflection on primacies and conciliarity in our churches when it met at St. Paul's College in Washington, DC, from October 21 to 23, 2004. The meeting, the 67th since the Consultation was founded in 1965, was co-chaired by Archbishop Daniel Pilarczyk of Cincinnati and Metropolitan Maximos of Pittsburgh.

The session began with an update on the Consultation's Agreed Statement, "The Filioque: A Church-Dividing Issue?" that was released one year ago. A Spanish translation has just been finished and posted on the USCCB and SCOBA websites. In addition, the members decided to introduce a modification in the middle of the tenth paragraph of the document regarding the reference to the work of Hilary of Poitiers. The sentence will now read: "Hilary of Poitiers, in the mid-fourth century, in the same work speaks of the Spirit as 'coming forth from the Father' and being 'sent by the Son' (12:55); as being 'from the Father through the Son' (12:56); and as 'having the Father and the Son as his source' (2.29)." This modification was accepted as a friendly amendment that does not change the meaning of the text but increases the clarity and accuracy of the reference to Hilary's position.

The Consultation heard a number of presentations in view of its study of conciliarity and primacies in the Church. Fr. Brian Daley, SJ, offered an analysis of the contents of Pope John Paul II's 1995 encyclical "Ut Unum Sint". Metropolitan Maximos read his paper examining the theology of John Zizioulas, now the Metropolitan of Pergamon, entitled "The Unity of the Church: An Orthodox Perspective." Fr. Alexander Golitzin offered his own reflections on Zizioulas' ecclesiology, and Fr. Ronald Roberson, CSP, presented a brief paper on a Romanian Orthodox theologian entitled, "Dumitru Staniloae on Primacy and Conciliarity." Fr. John Long, SJ, gave an overview of the recent book by John L. Allen, Jr., "All the Pope's Men: The Inside Story of How the Vatican Really Thinks."

The Consultation also devoted one session to major events in the lives of the two churches and recent developments in Orthodox-Catholic relations. Topics included the resolution of the dispute between the Church of Greece and the Ecumenical Patriarchate; the "Christian Churches Together in the USA" initiative; Foundation for Faith and Order; Developments in SCOBA; the prospect of a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Patriarchate; the 2004 Clergy-Laity Congress of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese; the visit of the Ecumenical Patriarch to Rome in June 2004; the establishment of the "St. Irenaeus Joint Orthodox-Catholic Working Group at the Johann-Adam Muhler Institute in Paderborn, Germany; the return of the Icon of the Mother of God of Kazan to Moscow; the death of Patriarch Petros VII of Alexandria and All Africa and the election of Patriarch Theodoros II; and the very recent decision of the Orthodox Church of Greece to restore the order of deaconesses.

Archbishop Pilarczyk welcomed a new Catholic member of the Consultation, Fr. Joseph Komonchak of the School of Theology and Religious Studies at the Catholic University of America in Washington. Fr. Komonchak has extensive background in 19th and 20th century Roman Catholic ecclesiology which should be particularly useful in the next phase of the dialogue.

The members of the Consultation were grateful for the hospitality of the Paulist community at St. Paul's College, and attended a Mass in the community chapel on the morning of October 22 presided over by Archbishop Pilarczyk.

The 68th meeting of the Consultation is scheduled to take place on June 6-8, 2005, at St. Vladimir's Orthodox School of Theology in Crestwood, New York.

The North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation is sponsored jointly by the Standing Conference of Canonical Orthodox Bishops in the Americas (SCOBA), the Bishops' Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), and the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops. Since its establishment in 1965, the Consultation has now issued 22 agreed statements on various topics. All these texts are now available on the website of the USCCB at: http://www.usccb.org/seia/dialogues.htm and on the SCOBA website at: http://www.scoba.us/resources/index.asp

In addition to the two co-chairmen, the Orthodox members of the Consultation include Father Thomas FitzGerald (Secretary), Archbishop Peter of New York, Father Nicholas Apostola, Prof. Susan Ashbrook Harvey, Father James Dutko, Prof. Paul Meyendorff, Father Alexander Golitzin, Father Emmanuel Gratsias, Dr. Robert Haddad, Father Paul Schnierla, Father Robert Stephanopoulos, and Bishop Dimitrios of Xanthos, General Secretary of SCOBA (staff). The additional Catholic members are Father Brian Daley, SJ (secretary), Msgr. Frederick McManus, Prof. Thomas Bird, Father Peter Galadza, Msgr. John D. Faris, Father John Galvin, Sister Jean Goulet, CSC, Father Sidney Griffith, ST, Father Joseph Komonchak, Father John Long, SJ, Father David Petras, and Father Ronald Roberson, CSP (staff).

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