INAPPROPRIATE!!!Georgian Patriarch Lights Hannukah Candles

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I think in those times, the relations with Jews were really tense and the Fathers feared Christians might have confused Judiasm with Christianism... But why would we refuse a gift from a Jew and accept the one from a Muslim?

Regarding those who observe the Sabbath, it is a tradition of the Ethiopian church (which is not Orthodox)

I really think those canons were justifie by the current situation that has radically changed since then

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Disciplinary Canons are not relative and are binding as Ecumenical pronouncements. Our circumstances have placed them under the discretion of pastors. Until an Ecumenical Council abolishes certain disciplinary Canons, they are very much binding and salutary for the people of God to observe unto salvation...
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Yes but what about economy? Do you ask your doctor if he is Jew or not? :mrgreen:

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From

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books ... oc34001972

6th Ecumenical Council

  1. Let no one enrolled in the sacerdotal list, or any layman, eat the unleavened wafers manufactured by the Jews, or in any way become familiar with the Jews or call them in case of sickness, or take any medicines from them, or even bathe with them in public bathing beaches or bathhouses. If anyone should attempt to do this, in case he is a clergyman, let him be deposed from office; or, in case he is a layman, let him be excommunicated.

Interpretation.

The present Canon commands that no person in holy orders and no layman may eat any unleavened wafers sent him by Jews, nor indeed be in any way friendly with Jews, nor when he finds himself ill may he call them and take their remedies, or even bathe writh them in baths and bathing places. In case anyone should do this, or any of these things, if he is a clergyman, let him be deposed from office; but if he is a layman, let him be excommunicated. Read also Ap. cc. VII and LXX.

I can imagine Kollyvas with his stict application of Canons, when he arrives at the swimming pool asking :

  • Any Jew here? Any Jew here

The guy, yes me...

And he runs out the water?

AHA HA HA AHAHA :P :P :P :P :P And asking his chemist... "Are you Jew?" Yes I am... So "OK I will suffer an awful headache but I will not buy your medicine even if you are the only chemistry open now..." :P :P :P

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O6:

I believe he is refering to an old prohibition that forbade Christians from using the services of a Jewish doctor. For that matter, I believe it was a prohibition against anything done or offered by Jews.

Like they could contaminate you or something....

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Economy, Discretion, "common sense"...

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As a gentle nudge, economy, discretion, "common sense" in application of the Canons are the province of our pastors, who interpret them as is necessary to our spiritual states and living circumstances, BUT CANNOT ABOLISH THEM. We do not have the charismatic authority to "judge" the Canons. More importantly, in reference to the cause of this canonical discusson, if someone were to pursue a spiritual court to divest the Georgian Patriarch of his dignities or censure him for violating the Canons, I would be the first to say that that was good and proper...
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In general, just as I don't celebrate the Pasch with the Jews, I do go out of my way to prefer gentile physicians, especially Orthodox Christian ones (although some are former Jews), but I have no real problems accepting treatment from physicians who are practicing Jews, albeit I do ask my Priest's blessing to do so.

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Orthodox6 wrote:

Katya,

In contrast, the Church exercises common sense. for example, the removal of the second ode from canons which ode, I think, always excoriated the Jews.

O-6

Which ode?

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