If Patriarch Diodoros I

Apologitis · Post by **Apologitis** » Sun 29 May 2005 4:00 pm

Father, I humbly kiss your hand.

The Patriarchates have not been condemned as "heretical" or "schismatic" by any Panorthodox Council! Even GOC bishop Chrysostom acknowledged that!

The Serbian Church (as well as the Antiochian etc etc) does recognize ROCOR saints such as St. John Maximovitch of Shaghai and San Fransisco the Wonderworker.

www.cin.org/archives/cineast/199802/0085.html

ROCOR, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, is in communion with the Serbian Orthodox Patriarchate and hence in full communion with the Serbian Orthodox Church in the USA(Metropolitan CHRISTOPHER).

Sabbas · Post by **Sabbas** » Sun 29 May 2005 4:39 pm

The ROCOR and the Cyprianites are recognized by the Serbian Patriarchate as well as the JP! And vice versa.

Actually the Serbian Patriarchate does not recognize the Synod headed by Metropolitan Cyprian and Bishop Artemije got into trouble with the EP for allegations that he had met with him. Now Bishop Artemije is barred from entering Constantinople. While it is true that Patriarch Diodoros of JP visited Met. Cyprian and praised him for his resistance there has never been a formal recognition of Met. Cyprian's synod or True Orthodox of Romania and Bulgaria except by ROCOR. While ROCOR has always been in communion with the Serbian Patriarchate the Serbian Patriarchate does not recognize Met. Cyprian's synod or the True Orthodox of Romania or Bulgaria.

Apologitis · Post by **Apologitis** » Mon 30 May 2005 7:49 am

True. Serbia hasn't OFFICIALY recognized the TOC, but since it recognizes the ROCOR, and the ROCOR recognizes the TOC, then all of these churches are equally canonical...

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Mon 30 May 2005 9:02 am

OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:
The Armenians are the same church as JP since they are in the same communion. So, I could only guess that since there are many Genuine Orthodox Christians who go to see the Holy Fire, it appears for them in spite of the Patriarch. But who could ever explain the Mysteries of God?

Christ is Risen!

I would like to humbly say OOD that you are wrong here with this statement. Armenians and the Orthodox Christians of Jerusalem do not share communion at all with eachother. The holy fire ceremony happens only to the Patriarch of Jerusalem (Orthodox and not Armenian) alone in the Holy Tomb, the Armenian stays outside where the Angel has appeared. Let us try to get some based proof firstly before we say everyone is in communion with eachother allright?

Christ is Risen!

Apologitis · Post by **Apologitis** » Mon 30 May 2005 10:13 am

Exactly. The Patriarchate of Jerusalem IS NOT in communion with the Armenians! We should not have a distorted view of the term "communion". If I give charity to a Protestan beggar down the road, I'm in communion with the Protestants?

Sabbas · Post by **Sabbas** » Mon 30 May 2005 5:02 pm

Apologitis wrote:
True. Serbia hasn't OFFICIALY recognized the TOC, but since it recognizes the ROCOR, and the ROCOR recognizes the TOC, then all of these churches are equally canonical...

Apologitis things are much more complex. First I have never heard of any Serbian hierarch speaking out in favor of communion with the True Orthodox. Bishop Artemije has hinted in a public letter that he sympathizes with them but he has never spoke in favor of the Serbian Patriarchate entering into communion with them. Bishop Amphilohije has made statements that he feels the True Orthodox went too far in entering into resistance. Second the SP was in communion with ROCOR when it first broke away from the MP through the invitation and help of Serbian Patriarch Varnava who was a great Russophile. The SP does not feel it necessary to break communion with ROCOR over the issue of its being in communion with the True Orthodox but that does not mean the SP recognizes these jurisdictions nor does it support them. A good example of this would be Bishop Silvano of Luni who left the SP to join the synod of Metropolitan Cyprian.
So no the SP does not recognize the True Orthodox and frankly I am not sure how long ROCOR will.

Nikodemus · Post by **Nikodemus** » Wed 1 June 2005 5:32 pm

Apologitis

I am what you would call a "cyprianite" because I belong to a TOC church in Stockholm, Sweden. I must write to you because of your post when you defend "world orthodoxy". I believe, as you know, that the non-ecumenist bishops and priests in the "World Orthodox churches" have grace until they are condemned to be (at least) in communion with heretical patriachs and bishops. What I want to say to you is that every orthodox christian not only have the right but also the duty to separate themselves from communion with bishops who preach heresy openly and bareheaded in church. This is not a qustion about how many monks on Athos who do this or this, or how many people who belong to MP or EP. It is a question about fundamental truth and confession about a non-divided Christ. Your communion is your faith and if you are in communion with ecumenists, you are in communion wit them who teach that Christ is divided, and this is a blasphemy and a HERESY