No matter how many historical examples I bring up of similar situations to what we find ourselves in today, neither yourself nor OOD are satisfied. We say the situation is not clear, you guys see it as black-and-white. What more can I say? You administer this forum, do whatever you want with it.
George Australia,
This really shouldn't surprise you or any of us. For either Father Deacon or OOD to do otherwise, would really take away any reason for their not being in their respective jurisdictions. It is because of these very "arguments" that those jurisdictions were formed. Take away the arguments and you take away their respective jurisdiction's purpose for existence.
Let alone the ability that allows us so easily to fall into prelest due to our feelings of superiority over one another. My Church is the True Church, your Church is not. Therefore, I know better, and you do not. I think it is that desire to find the "True Church" and that individuals get sidetracked as to the original purpose for our search, salvation through Jesus Christ. A person can pick and choose which Canons they wish to impress are the most important, and will shy away from those that don't go with their "cause".
Perfect example is Archbishop Gregory. Now part of the "True Orthodox Church of Bulgaria". He, I have no doubt can quote canons better than Father Deacon and OOD combined. His debating with them, would no doubt have him be the winner, but does that make him right? Has his continual hopping from one jurisdiction glorified God? Has the divisions cause by this "hopping", brought much fruit?
Where is the fruit of the Spirit in all this? Where is the love? Where is the compassion? Where is the HUMILITY? We just got done with the Publican and Pharisee... Reading this board, it appears that from many postings it appears to be more in vogue to be a Pharisee than a publican. The Publican couldn't even raise his eyes, and says, as we all should say - Lord be merciful to me a sinner. Rather, the Pharisee is the model, and the mode by which many operate. Myself included.
I hate when I get caught up into the "Pharisee model". I find myself better left to the study of Hesychasm and doing the Jesus Prayer, trying to love my brothers and sisters, having compassion, and not get full of myself. When I see others doing it, yes, like OOD and Father Deacon, in regards to their posts, it disturbs me, because maybe I don't do it in this regards, but I do it in many other ways in life in general.
I realize my own sinfulness and how far away from the mark I am. That in reality, the closer we get to God, the more sinful we recognize ourselves being, and the less we focus on the short-coming of others.
Bottom Line: I guess I really thought Traditional Orthodoxy was about your life in Christ, how you live, piety, holiness, being a living icon.
What I find instead, rules and regulations, canons, division, judgement.
Frankly, it's saddening.
Okay - let me put on my armor! 