Ethiopian/Eastern reunion essay idea.

[EkhristosAnesti]

I told you that any further discussion would be predicated on your presentation of the Fathers & the Holy Canons and any schismatic propaganda would be duly disregarded. You have clearly failed to provide such a foundation for ANY of your positions but rather chose to arrogantly defame the Holy Orthodox Faith and its believers, WHICH YOU ARE NOT ONE OF.

This is amusing to say the least. How can we deal with the Fathers and the Tradition of the Church which undoubtedly vindicates the position of the Orthodox Church against the council of schism that is Chalcedon, when you are not even capable of honestly discerning what that position is in the first place? Do you possess ANY common sense AT ALL? It is clear by now that Satan has deprived you of Christian honesty, but has he also deprived you of basic reasoning skills?

The last few posts I have been urging you to stop making foolish presumptions, so we can both ascertain the genuine position of the Orthodox Church against your schismatic councils, in order to consequently discuss the justification of that Orthodox position.

And who are the Fathers that you ask me to engage with, and what are the Holy Canons that you wish me to discuss? Your Fathers were schismatic heretics, and your Canons derive their force from the pits of hell; they are not my nor the Orthodox Church’s paradigm of Orthodox Truth. If you want to engage with true Fathers and true Canons, study the Council of Ephesus 431 in the context of the Christological works of the great Pillar of Orthodoxy St Cyril the Great, and observe the blatant contradiction between the Council and the Father that destroyed Nestorianism, and the Council (Chalcedon) and the so-called Fathers who revived it. Study history, and observe how Nestorius the Arch-heretic praised the Council of Chalcedon as a vindication of his heretical position; observe how Theodoret, also an arch-heretic, managed to re-package his heresies in heretical Chalcedonian terminology, only to be condemned at the next council. Observe how a substantial amount of members of your Chalcedonian Church were upholding Chalcedon and commemorating the death of Nestorius as if he be a Saint. Observe how a substantial amount of Chalcedonians were upholding Chalcedon and referring to the arch-heretic and teacher of Nestorius, Theodore, as their teacher. Why do you think Constantinople 533 ever came into being? Because your Chalcedon cast your Church into confusion. Chalcedon cut your faction of resistance off from the Church, and left it in confusion. From 451 to 533, Chalcedonians were Nestorians, Theodoretians, Ibasians, Theodorians etc.. It was a bag of mixed nuts. The True Orthodox Church remained strong in Cyrillian Orthodoxy. We were neither infected by that fanciful monophysitism that your Fathers invented of their own imaginations, nor the Nestorian heresy that caused your Church to sever itself from The One True Church.

In any event, let’s summarise the absurd expectation as stipulated in the above quote, and previous posts, just to reinforce yet another instance in a long line of tradition of weak Chalcedonian polemics: you would like to misrepresent the position of my Church, then you would like to launch the onus on me to justify that falsely presumed position that you choose to impute on my Church, AND you would like me to engage with schismatic heretics and their Canons as sources of authority in so doing. LOL Good one.

I engaged you and your model of "primitive Orthodoxy"

Our model of “primitive Orthodoxy”? LOL Why because we don’t have as many Ecumenical Councils as you? I guess the RC’s are the most advanced of us all then huh? 20 Ecumenical Councils, WOW. It’s all about the numbers isn’t it? No. It’s about the truth, and let the truth be told, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church recognises but three Councils which in truth, qualify as genuine Ecumenical Orthodox Councils. Amen.

THAT THOSE WHO TRESPASS THE BOUNDS OF CONCILIARITY

PROVE IT! Let’s see – you presuppose the Ecumenicity of Chalcedon, to consequently conclude that in our rejection of it, we have trespassed the bounds of concilairity. News flash buddy: according to the Orthodox Church, we rejected a schismatic council, when we rejected Chalcedon. Chalcedon is NOT Ecumenical for us. Just imagine an RC coming up to you and accusing you of "trespassing the bounds of conciliarity" for not submitting to her Councils. Are you so blind so as not to see the obvious flaw you are committing?

CHALCEDON WAS THE COUNCIL THAT TRESPASSED THE BOUNDS OF CONCILARITY BY DEPOSING A LEGITIMATE ORTHODOX PATRIARCH AND UNDERMINING THE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH.

This caps-lock thing is really working for me. I wander if it’s as much fun for you as it is for me.

prevented them from capitalizing on such an opportunity

Have you not read the verse where Jesus states that the gates of hell shall never prevail over the Church? Do not blame your schismatic hierarchs for not being able to convince the Holy Heirarchs of the Orthodox Church to compromise Orthodox ecclesiology and to betray her Holy Fathers by accepting schismatic councils as Ecumenical Councils. It is the Lord Christ who prevents, and shall prevent, this from ever happening, according to His promise.

in your ranks there are many "double agents" infected with the demoniac ravings of the pedophile mohammed.

Wow, Satan has truly infested your head with dirt; does the light of Orthodoxy offend you that much that you must resort to making such filthy and wild accusations? Where is your evidence for this blasphemy launch against the Bride of Christ? Truly this lie will fall upon your head, and the heads of your beloved, especially during this Holy Pascha week.

You disgust me.

The majority are not with you but want Orthodoxy.

The majority, nay, the entirety ARE Orthodoxy. Period. If the majority did not think themselves to be in the Orthodox Church, then guess what, THEY WOULD LEAVE THE CHURCH. But they remain, steadfast in the Lord, in the Apostolic Faith preserved by our Fathers.

clear symptom that you are without merit in your pretensions are the pronouncements of your hierarchs at the recent Brazilian bacchanal which endorsed "inclusive models of sexuality"

As Christ said, you are a liar, and your father is the father of lies. The Coptic Orthodox Church has always taken the strongest of stances against homosexuality. Whenever the issue is brought up in dialogues with Anglicans, the hierarchs of our Church make it explicitly clear that it is an issue that is not even up for debate or discussion. On one occasion, when the Anglicans insisted on discussing the matter regardless, the Heirarchs of my Church politely stood up and walked out of the meeting. It is a closed matter. The evidence is out there; the Church has made numerous official statements in the face of liberal Protestantism, that the Orthodox Church’s stance against homosexuality is unquestionable. His Holiness Pope Shenouda wrote a whole book against homosexuality.

Here is your evidence you liar:

The Holy Synod condemns homosexuality:
http://www.stanthonycopts.com/the_holy_ ... uality.htm
His Holiness Pope Shenouda officialy condemns homosexuality:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2 ... uality.php
Coptic Orthodox Church officially condemns homosexuality:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2 ... Social.php

NEVER has the Church endorsed homosexuality. This is a filthy satanic lie that you launch in your attempt to evade the real issues at hand. Evidently our discussion on Chalcedon forced you into a corner with no escape, your defense mechanism is to now concoct filthy lies against the Church. You figure that you have no reason, logic, or fact against the Church, so your last resort is to defame her. God curse you.

Again, I ask you: GIVE US THE EVIDENCE for you filthy lies. Your satanic agenda here is futile, and your credibility is rotting like a dead corpse. You speak lie after lie, and when you are asked to give us ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE, you evade the challenge.

Your own exchanges with the nestorians illustrate your very lacking prospects of accomplishing any models of unity.

Again, BRING FORTH YOUR EVIDENCE when discussing issues relating to the Church. You have already been exposed as a liar and a deceiver.

In this instance, you are exposed for your blatant ignorance. I have in front of me an ENTIRE BOOK written by His Eminence Metropiltan Bishoy titled “A Documentary on The Nestorian Assyrian Church of the East”; it is a detailed 150 book analysis on the dialogues that have been undertaken. As His Emiencne notes, the agenda of the Nestorians has been made clear; they will not compromise on their heretical Christology, nor will they compromise on their position on Ephesus 431, nor on St Cyril, nor on the arch-heretic Nestorius. THUS THERE IS NO FURTHER ROOM FOR DIALOGUE PERIOD. We do not endorse false ecumenism; the fruits and agendas of the Nestorians have been made clear from the start. There is no basis for dialogue. PERIOD. Ecumenical dialogue is only truly Orthodoxy, when there is potential for the achievement of a reasonable compromise that does not in turn compromise the Faith. That potential does not exist with the Nestorians as has been made clear.

Maybe your Church has more hope with the Nestorians considering your Church's Nestorian past. After all, Nestorius did praise Chalcedon whilst in exile - this is well-documented historical fact.

hierarchs commit ever more infamous acts of moral and doctrinal compromise.

PROVE IT.

I am holding back from pasting you the 10 or so articles that I have here concerning your "holy" Monks molesting young novice monks within the confines of your "holy" Monasteries. I don't feel the need to stoop that low; the blow you suffer from being unable to provide ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE for anything you have stated is damaging enough.

Further communication with you is unnecessary

That’s it? You launch the most ridiculous, wild, satanic accusations against the Holy Orthodox Church, and then you will run from backing ANYTHING UP? You are a coward, a liar, and a deceiver; the Lord rebuke you in the name of His Holy Church.

[Kollyvas]

With this, your monologue to me ends. I won't be bothered with engaging your schismatic nonsense with any further effort. You love your dhimmitude and your wahabbi patrons, and, yes, we the Orthodox Church know that there are some amongst the Non Chalcedonians trolling, hacking websites, and being in general foul to disrupt the return of those groups to the Holy Truth of Orthodoxy. No, you are fooling no one. We are done.
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This is not a mosque--I don't believe many here are welcoming of your sectarian propaganda. mohammed was a pedophile, a rapist and a mass murdering heretic possessed by unclean spirits--we have no need of those accomodating and in subjection to his followers.

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22744

WCC assembly demonstrates ‘spirit of antichrist,’ prof says
Feb 28, 2006
By David Roach
Baptist Press
PORTO ALEGRE, Brazil (BP)--Recognizing the Holy Spirit in other religions, tolerating "homosexual marriage" and denouncing the U.S. war on terror were among the views advocated at the 9th World Council of Churches Assembly Feb. 14-23 in Porto Alegre, Brazil.

Founded in 1948, the WCC describes itself as “the broadest and most inclusive among the many organized expressions of the modern ecumenical movement, a movement whose goal is Christian unity,” according to the group’s website. The WCC has 347 member denominations in more than 120 countries, including most of the mainline Protestant denominations in America.

In its pursuit of unity, the WCC has advanced an agenda that includes opposing wars and weapons systems, criticizing free markets, promoting a worldwide redistribution of wealth and seeking common ground with non-Christian religions.

“The World Council of Churches has long been a boutique of paganism in Christian garb,” said Russell D. Moore, senior vice president for academic administration and dean of the school of theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. “This year’s assembly happenings, including the recognition of ‘the Holy Spirit’ working in non-Christian world religions, only continues the downgrade.

“Regenerate believers across the world, whatever their denomination or communion, recognize the spirit of the World Council for what it is: the spirit of antichrist,” Moore said. “The only differences between the WCC of today and the WCC of the mid-twentieth century are first one of degree and second one of relevance. No one listens to the World Council of Church anymore, and for that we should be thankful to God.”

HOLY SPIRIT IN OTHER RELIGIONS

“The church is called to discern the signs of the ‘hidden’ Christ and the presence of the Holy Spirit in other religions,” WCC central committee moderator Aram I said in his report to the assembly, according to a release by the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Speaking on the need for unity among Christians, Aram, the Armenian Catholicos of Cilicia (one of the Lebanese church’s four major leaders), said a divided church cannot offer a credible witness to the world.

To reach the world, he advocated “a church beyond its walls” that is “liberated from its self-captivity” inside “dogmatic, ethical, theological, ethnic, cultural and confessional walls.” Aram went on to suggest that the Holy Spirit operates in non-Christian religions.

“According to biblical teachings, God’s gift of salvation in Christ is offered to the whole humanity,” he said. “Likewise, according to Christian pneumatology, the Holy Spirit’s work is cosmic; it reaches in mysterious ways to people of all faiths.”

Changes in the church and the world demand that Christians adopt new approaches to ecumenical organizations in the 21st century, Aram said. He noted that inter-religious dialogue can help believers get away from an “exclusivist, monological and self-centered self-understanding” and “look at the basics of our faith in a broader perspective.”

Aram’s comments on other religions were absent from the WCC’s official news release on his report, which focused on Aram’s call for Christian unity.

U.S. ‘RAINING DOWN TERROR’ ON THE WORLD

Throughout the assembly, delegates expressed anti-American sentiments regarding the war in Iraq and made claims of U.S. imperialism.

At a press conference Feb. 18, Leonid Kishkovsky, chief ecumenical officer of the Orthodox Church in America and former president of the National Council of Churches, presented a letter described as representing the WCC delegates from U.S. denominations. The letter portrayed U.S. military actions to thwart terrorism in terms of aggression against innocents.

“[O]ur country responded [to Sept. 11] by seeking to reclaim a privileged and secure place in the world, raining down terror on the truly vulnerable among our global neighbors,” the letter stated.

At the press conference, Kishkovsky appeared with John Thomas, president of the United Church of Christ; Sharon Watkins, general minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ); Michael Livingston, NCC president; and Stanley Noffsinger, general secretary of the Church of the Brethren.

“Nations have been demonized and God has been enlisted in national agendas that are nothing short of idolatrous,” the letter stated. “We lament with special anguish the war in Iraq, launched in deception and violating global norms of justice.”

U.S. denominations represented at the WCC included the United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Episcopal Church and various African-American Baptist and Methodist denominations.

Anti-American sentiments also were expressed in a Feb. 19 press conference on the church in Latin America. Speaking under the auspices of the WCC, Argentinean Nobel Prize winner Adolfo Pérez Esquivel denounced American policies in Latin America and spoke against U.S. President George W. Bush.

“Dictatorship in Latin America was imposed by the United States,” he alleged. “All the methods of oppression which we see come from over there, from the Empire [the United States].”

Speaking against the American President, Pérez Esquivel, said, “When Bush prays, God covers his ears.”

HUMAN SEXUALITY WORKSHOP

Any sexual act that is done with an attitude of love and respect is morally legitimate, regardless of whether it occurs in marriage, said Erlinda Senturias, a Filipino member of the WCC’s “international reference group” to guide the council’s conversations regarding human sexuality.

Senturias made her comments Feb. 18 in an unofficial workshop on the WCC’s recent dialogues about sexuality. When a young Irish man in the audience asked whether it was acceptable for him to engage in sexual relations with his girlfriend, Senturias offered a clear answer.

“A sexual experience is a spiritual experience,” she said, according to an IRD report. “If it is done in a spirit of mutual respect and love, it is a very beautiful experience -- whether you are married or not.”

George Mathews Nalunakkal, a Syrian Orthodox priest from India spoke against “conservative” views of human sexuality.

“When this appeal to the Bible [in a literal way] is combined with natural law,” he said, “it leads to exclusive and conservative positions.” He also objected to “statements [that] reflect a rather negative anthropology, where man is seen as a ‘fallen’ creature and sin is sexual.”

In the same workshop, Sara Baltodano of Costa Rica presented a summary of conclusions reached by regional WCC meetings in Costa Rica and India. The presentation stressed the importance of “sexual rights.”

“Sexual rights are also human rights,” the summary said. “Right and responsibility go together. This does not mean that we promote sexual rights without the attendant responsibilities of being non-abusive within relationships, and faithful within whichever configuration of relationship one chooses to be in.”

Alan Wisdom, IRD interim president and reporter from the assembly, said Baltodano’s comments reveal a low view of traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

Her remarks “revealed the attempt to dethrone marriage from its traditional place at the center of Christians sexual ethics,” he said. “Instead Baltodano’s summary would affirm ‘whichever configuration of relationship one chooses to be in’ –- not exactly a biblical category of thinking, or even a clear rational category.”

Archbishop Desmond Tutu expressed the WCC’s pluralistic thinking in a Feb. 20 address on unity.

“Bush, bin Laden, all belong, homosexual, lesbian, so-called straight -- all belong and are loved, are precious,” he said.

Wisdom said that moving forward, the WCC is facing issues of survival, not just relevance.

In America and elsewhere, mainline denominations continue to suffer in influence while orthodoxy is growing; if the WCC persists in trying to rally churches around the agenda of western liberals instead of around biblical orthodoxy, it faces the prospect of extinction, he said.

“The question is where the WCC will find any unity," Wisdom said. "The continued pursuit of the political agendas of the Western left--a rapidly declining contingent in the global church--will relegate the council to accelerating irrelevance. But a reappropriation of the orthodox and evangelical Christian faith that is growing in so many African, Asian and Latin American churches would promise a much brighter future."

Wisdom did not speculate on whether the WCC had the will to abandon liberalism and ecumenicalism for the evangelicalism that is driving Christian movements worldwide.
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[EkhristosAnesti]

With this, your monologue to me ends.

LOL Your lies have been utterly exposed, and your deception speaks volumes. Your desparate satanic agenda against the Church was futile.

Run away, like the lying coward that you are. You have damaged yourself enough.

You love your dhimmitude and your wahabbi patrons,

Ad hominem is typical of Chalcedonians avoiding the attempt to defend their indefensible and dispicable history. I can understand how desparate you are to implicate Copts with their worst enemies, however I ask you to revise the history of your Church, and you will find that the Spirit that deceived Muhammed was dining in the souls of your Fathers who were more Islamic in their deeds than Muhammed himself. Corrupted by politics, and lust for power, your Church regressed into the precedent established by the heathens, of the merciless slaughter of Orthodox Christian martyrs.

yes, we the Orthodox Church know that there are some amongst the Non Chalcedonians trolling, hacking websites, and being in general foul to disrupt the return of those groups to the Holy Truth of Orthodoxy.

I have truly met no Chalcedonian as stupid as you. Who in their reasonable mind is going to believe this nonsense? Where is your proof for this rubbish? I know that your Fathers were liars, but do you really need to follow in their footsteps?

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22744

LOL Where exactly has the Church condoned homosexuality?!You made a HUGE deal by highlighting quotations in red that do not prove your claims ON ANY LEVEL.

Let's look at them one by one shall we:

[size=12Speaking on the need for unity among Christians, Aram, the Armenian Catholicos of Cilicia (one of the Lebanese church’s four major leaders), said a divided church cannot offer a credible witness to the world.

To reach the world, he advocated “a church beyond its walls” that is “liberated from its self-captivity” inside “dogmatic, ethical, theological, ethnic, cultural and confessional walls.” Aram went on to suggest that the Holy Spirit operates in non-Christian religions.

“According to biblical teachings, God’s gift of salvation in Christ is offered to the whole humanity,” he said. “Likewise, according to Christian pneumatology, the Holy Spirit’s work is cosmic; it reaches in mysterious ways to people of all faiths.”

Changes in the church and the world demand that Christians adopt new approaches to ecumenical organizations in the 21st century, Aram said. He noted that inter-religious dialogue can help believers get away from an “exclusivist, monological and self-centered self-understanding” and “look at the basics of our faith in a broader perspective.” [/size]

Where is the moral compromise here? The Holy Spirit's work IS COSMIC. YOUR OWN HEIRARCHS ACKNOWLEDGE THIS VERY SAME THING - WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO QUOTE BISHOP KALLISTOS WARE FOR YOU? LOL

George Mathews Nalunakkal, a Syrian Orthodox priest from India spoke against “conservative” views of human sexuality.

“When this appeal to the Bible [in a literal way] is combined with natural law,” he said, “it leads to exclusive and conservative positions.” He also objected to “statements [that] reflect a rather negative anthropology, where man is seen as a ‘fallen’ creature and sin is sexual.”

LOL YOU HAVE A QUOTATION FROM ONE PRIEST OF ONE LOCAL CHURCH? I GAVE YOU LINKS TO OFFICIAL STATEMENTS OF BISHOPS AND THE HOLY SYNOD!

The Holy Synod condemns homosexuality:
http://www.stanthonycopts.com/the_holy_ ... uality.htm
His Holiness Pope Shenouda officialy condemns homosexuality:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2 ... uality.php
Coptic Orthodox Church officially condemns homosexuality:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2 ... Social.php

Furthermore, WHERE EXACTLY DOES HE CONDONE HOMOSEXUALITY HERE? ARE YOU BLIND? He sounds like he is addressing a sort of gnostic anthropology whereby the body is viewed as evil, and whereby SEXUAL ACTIVITY PER SE, IS VIEWED AS SINFUL. HE SAYS NOTHING CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALITY YOU LIAR. LOL READ YOUR OWN ARTICLES.

[Kollyvas]

While I by no means find anything edifying or factual or well reasoned in the above exchanges, I would sincerely ask if that is what the moderators want engaged on this thread? Verbal brawls over notions of ecclesiological and moral relativism will find no one benefitted. I have voluminously documented the wcc, what participation in it entails and the errors thereby associated. While I am not an apologist for the Non Chalcedonians, my work with them for years now allows me to fully appreciate the dubiousness of where this thread has gone. My caution here is to not allow minds to be poisoned with unbalanced and intentionally provocative hate that they begin to hate others due to the actions of those under the control of provocateurs. As is well known, I can pursue this exchange on the level of a street fight and come out quite well, but this does no good to discussions in general and really is not the tone of this board. I cordially put forward these considerations.
R

[EkhristosAnesti]

Verbal brawls over notions of ecclesiological and moral relativism

The only relativism that exists here is in your logic. Your logic is relative to your presuppositions. You conclude ecclesiological relativism from the presupposition that Chalcedon was an Ecumenical Council. We reject Chalcedon upon the basis that is is objectively discerned to be a schismatic Council. Ecclesiological relativism thus lies on your behalf.

Moral relativism? Your morality is relative to your own self-interests. If lying serves your agenda, then lying consequently becomes justified for you. You implicated that the Church which stands ever-so strongly against homosexuality, and which has officially condemned it on a number of occasions, via statements put forth by the Holy Synod and the Patriarch, is now starting to endorse it. I encourage everyone to read the article you pasted for us. No comment quoted in that article comes even close. You have one priest of one local church addressing a Gnostic type anthropology whereby the body is viewed as intrinsically evil, and whereby sexual activity per se is likewise considered intrinsically evil. The only people who would have issues with this, are new age cults reviving the ancient Gnostic traditions.

The first quote you enlarged and highlighted speaks of the cosmic work of the Holy Spirit. I can quote you a number of hierarchs from your own Church, including the prominent Bishop Kallistos Ware who affirms the very same thing. This is Orthodox pneumatology with a basis in Tradition.

Either you are dyslexic and unable to read your own articles, or you think people are so stupid to the extent that they will merely see something bolded and enlarged and think that something is wrong without even reading what is written.

I truly pity you. I used to apply the maxim of “who is not against us is for us” to the Chalcedonian Church. But clearly you have expressed her innermost satanic agenda against the Holy Oriental Orthodox Church.

As is well known, I can pursue this exchange on the level of a street fight and come out quite well

Are you kidding me? You have left 1001 claims unproven. You have launched wild accusations and lies without any evidentiary basis. Do you have any idea how foolish you would look to the reasonable and prudent minded reader?

intentionally provocative hate

Woe to you hypocrites! I have not witnessed as much hate from anyone, as I have witnessed from you, even in my days of countering Islamic polemics. I honestly cannot believe you are trying to pull this self-righteous move, as if you're all of the sudden concerned for the Church that you just blasphemously defamed WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE. Are you truly this blind to the reality of your own actions? You have accused my Church of the most vilest of things. I had plenty of opportunity to shut you down - especially on the issue of pedophile monks operating within your monasteries in the States, but I chose not to. Yet you continued launching unwarranted attacks of the most satanic nature, without ANY EVIDENCE. SHAME on you.

[Kollyvas]

As you are NOT a moderator, I was not addressing you. Your penchant for not maintaining any context exemplifies the paucity of your reason and thought. Jeering me does not advance your agenda, but rather illuminates your trolling. I would prefer to not deal with you as I find it distasteful and frankly hold you beneath contempt.

Now I ask the moderators again to untie my hands if they want this type of exchange, for it is clear that the intent of this fellow is personal and vitrioloic laced with polemic. I have never lied or misrepresented anything on this board and have always fully documented my assertions. Therefore, it is not a matter of personal slights but of integrity, and mine I've always strove to maintain. I can lay waste to the citadels of this provocateur's delusions if my hands are untied.
R

[EkhristosAnesti]

As you are NOT a moderator, I was not addressing you.

I don’t care who you were addressing. Such is the nature of internet forums. Who do you think you are? We know you're a liar, and a deceiver etc. but you have no authority over me. If you insist on making stupid remarks in public, then you leave yourself open to valid criticism from anyone and everyone who may want to take advantage of that. The opportunities you present are too golden for me to simply ignore. If you want to make stupid remarks in a specific address to someone without being open to valid criticism, then I believe this forum has a private messaging system – use it.

personal and vitrioloic laced with polemic.

Really? You mean like implicating that one’s Church endorses homosexuality, when in fact strong evidence has been presented that such a claim is nothing more than a filthy lie not based on a shred of evidence? You mean like accusing the Church of "moral relativism" based on a warped interpretation of quotations which clearly only criticise an anthropological view akin to that presented by gnostic sects? Who are you fooling, but yourself? Give it up my friend.