I have a good friend who is a graduate of St. Tikhon's, and goes to the OCA Cathedral in Los Angeles. He says that not only is there a large icon of St. John Maximovich at the LA Cathedral, but that Met. Herman has an icon of St. John on his personal icon corner.
--Sean
Some people prefer cupcakes. I, for one, care less for them...
Juvenaly Martinka wrote:Yes and the sad thing is that reliable testimony as to the life and Martyrdom of Saint Juvenaly (seems to me to be) sorely lacking. I have never heard of where his martyrdom took place or where (if they are) his relics are. The only really good icon I have found was from HTM. (See my Icon corner post) if anyone knows where I can find another please let me know.
I have yet to see a Synaxarion that has his life within its cover. Sad to me that the first martyr of America is the saint we know the least about...
Well Juvenal, the greatest thing I could tell is, try writting to Vladika Bishop Nicholas of Alaska belonging to the OCA. He knows very well the Saints of the America. (Especially, being bishop of Alaska it is his duty to know the Agiologion of his own eparchy.)
According to the knowledge I have, it is in Alaska the relics of Saint Juvenal, but I think there is in Valaam also. (Since that is his home monastery.)
I know i haven't posted here in a long time, but I had to write something in the hopes that it may, in humility, help clarify things.
St John Maximovitch of Shanghai/SF the Wonderworker IS INDEED a saint recognized by the OCA. On my 2004 OCA wall calendar, his name clearly appeared on July 2nd. Not to mention the fact that at Great Vespers (in my OCA parish no less), his name is clearly read with the other saints' names. As I am aware, there is an OCA monastery in Calif. and an OCA parish in Georgia that bear his name. It appears to me that it's a "no brainer": he's a saint!
As far as the sanctity and martyrdom of St Juvenaly of Alaska, there's an excellent book called "Alaskan Mission Spirituality" I think that details the history and development of the Russian mission in Alaska from the 18th century to modern times. It's an excellent read. Auther is Fr. Michael Oleksa I think. In it, he recounts the lives of the Alaskan saints (St Herman, St Peter, St Juvenaly, St Jacob, St Innocent are the ones I can remember right now) and provides good evidence toward St Juvenaly's martyrdom. You may find it helpful.
Romiosini,
Forgive me, my post was written tongue firmly in cheek, 'on the level' and 'square' are terms used in freemasonry, I also have heard some insert this remarks into conversations or letters in order to signal they are a mason and thereby hope for preferential treatment. Whether these signals have the desired effect I have no way of knowing.
So poor little me was introducing both levity and something darker in that post. Once again, my apologies.......
bogoliubtsy wrote:Νεκτάριος wrote:However, St. John of San Francisco, who has not been officially recognized yet by the OCA, does not appear to be present in the OCA's most commonly used icon of the same feast.
Isn't there an OCA Monastery though named after Saint John of San Francisco? Were they always under the OCA or were they recieved in after they were established....?
Yes, there is. As well as a parish or two named after him, and OCA parishes which have St. John's image included in frescoes of the Saints of North America. Still, the OCA does not list him in their calendar of saints. I spoke with Fr. John Matusiak about this a couple of years ago. He said the reason St. John is not included in the OCA's calendar is because ROCOR never gave the invitation for the OCA to accept the ROCOR's glorification. With time, I'm sure St. John will be officially recognized, because, as you noted, local glorification is already taking place within the OCA.
The Churches in communion with Christodulos of Greece (Antioch, Serbia etc) also recognize St. John and have churches dedicated to him... This means the Greek State Church also recognizes him...
