Holy Transfiguration Monastary

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

matushka Ann,

For example, ROCOR policy was to receive baptised Orthodox Christians from other jurisdictions through confession and communion

This is common Russian practice for even receiving Uniates and Roman Catholics. But I wonder, will the ROCOR continue this practice after union with the MP, or have they been wrong all these years? I ask this sincerley.

This is disobedience. It's also bad theology. The late Met. Philaret said, in my father's livingroom and in Fr. Panteleimon's presence, that he would NEVER say that another Orthodox Church lacks grace.

But he did give the Anathema, which is a cutting off of Grace, to Ecumenists did he not? And he did restore the heirarchy of the GOC of Greece, who he communed with the remainder of his life, and who were clear and did not recognize Grace in the ecumenist jurisdictions, and who baptized converts from the ecumenist jurisdictions. So if he communed with those who did baptize new-calendar converts, other than the question of authority, I wonder why it would be such a shock for the Greeks at HTM to do the same. Perhaps it only became an issue as the ROCOR changed?

(I seriously have a hard time believing anything that idicates St. Met. Philaret had a relationship of convenience and not faith with the GOC.)

[Matushka Anna]

So if he communed with those who did baptize new-calendar converts, other than the question of authority, I wonder why it would be such a shock for the Greeks at HTM to do the same. <

It wouldn't be a shock, but it would be an act of disobedience. HTM wasn't under the GOC; it was under ROCOR.

ROCOR was in communion with several different Old Calendar groups. It's only when they started excommunicating each other that ROCOR stepped back. This decision was especially painful for people close to the late Met. Petros of Astoria, and I would that ROCOR and all the Greeks whom she ever ordained were in communion once more.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Matushka Ann,

I'm sure you understand that the ROCOR was in communion with only those they restored the heirarchy to, until the time when a union with the Mathewites was attempted in the early '70's.

It was then that the Mathewites "stepped back" and the ROCOR continued to only communion with the GOC until 1994; and it was in 1994 that the ROCOR, without any warning and never any explanation to our Synod, started to commune with the Cyprianites.

It was then that WE stepped back, lest we should be in communion through the "AIDS Awareness Theory" (:) ), with people we deposed.

[Грешник]

I appologized. If I could I would remove the etire thread. But I cant. All I can do is appologize. And it seems that this is not good enough.

I also think I am 2 months behind on leaving this forum. It seems that those who platform all the erors on this board can not even for the life of them come up woth a costructive method of 'patching up' tese issues.

Well, with packing and moving and all of that jazz I shall bid my farewells to all. I more than likely will not return. My prayers are with all.

Adios!

Juvenaly

[Justin Kissel]

If I could I would remove the etire thread.

No no no! Trust me--I know from experience--you don't want to delete the entire thread.

Btw, I hope you come back

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The one thing I have seen this weekend which leads me to want to remove the thread is this.

What we post here (in a sense) is cast in stone. We can not change the things we write. What I did with this post, which was three people old, was cast into stone a very peculiar situation. I am sorry that this ever occured. When I tried to explain yself and my reasoning this becmae clouded in subject matter. This then gace rise to more minunderstanding and confusuion.

And what in the end are we left with? We are left with a permenant reminder of what ignorance and "the telephone game" can lead to.

Saying this my point is that I need to take some time and get myself in order. For if I am to be baptized and received into Orthodoxy I can not do this here. I can not expect to find faith in front of an electronic console.

I have tried to make this forum a better place for me by posting the Sacred Scriptures and it has done wonders for me. But at this point I think that for me this forum has become a place of trivial arguments and name calling etc. and this is not good for anyone. Some may see this as "educated debate" but is it really? I know it is not good for me, not now, probably not ever... I shall constrict myself to the Sacred Scripture work that I have begun and gaze at times over the other threads, but I cannot at this time see myself conversating on many of these topics so there is no need for me to get angry and offensive as I have these past few days. It's just not right.

If it is easy to cast doubt into stone than I hope that it is also posible to crush that stone wth a hammer and destroy the lies and the slabder on both sides so that others are not scandalized by my actions as a ignorant catechumen.

Matthew 6:15 But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.

Matthew 18:21-22 Then came Peter unto him and said: Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith to him: I say not to thee, till seven times; but till seventy times seven times.

Matthew 18:35 So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not every one his brother from your hearts.

1John 1:7-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

With this I appologize to OL and to all that I have been angry at these past few days over mistakes I myself brought upon myself. I ask that you would please pray for me as I work through these shortcommings and that eventually when God Wills it I shall be seen as aceptable in receiving the Holy Waters of Baptism and acceptance into the Church of Our God and Lord Jesus Christ.

Juvenaly

[Julianna]

The thing you originally posted makes no sense, either logically or gramatically. ("Deflocked"??)

You're attacking a man's grammar isn't very nice. He'd obviously meant defrocked. As priestmark says about this type of attack: welcome to the new ROCOR! We'll attack your grammar and misrepresent history and the truth.