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Dear LatinTrad, Johanan, Joseph, Lounger, Methodius and Nicholas:

God bless you all!

Thank you for the welcome. What a difference as opposed to the Indiana or Paradosis lists, where our subscription to the list sounded all the alarms for the ecumenical clergy to go on full alert.

Lounger wrote:

Thank you for your post. I really wonder why so many people are filled with demonic hatred towards Bishop Gregory for fighting heresy and calling a spade a spade, to coin a phrase.

In my experience, the vast majority of people who actually dislike Bishop Gregory have never spoken to him. Most have heard some form of innuendo, such as myself at 17 years of age, but have no concrete fact that they can base their opinion on. If one cannot base his negative opinion on fact, all that is left is passionate anger.

As a young man, I recall an episode in one ROCOR monastery I stayed in for a few weeks, where the monks implored me not to ask the abbot any questions about Bishop Gregory. My youthful soul was zealous to know the truth about the situation, and so I kept on asking. I had never seen the abbot loose his temper until that time, which lasted for quite a while. Believing every syllable he told me, I frankly asked him at the end why Bishop Alypy didn’t depose Bishop Gregory. The reply was a cool, “Bishop Alypy is a weak Bishop.” I couldn’t understand why the abbot had Vladyka Gregory’s icons all over his monastery, both prints and hand-painted ones. I insisted that he never buy anything from Dormition Skete again. J

This mentality stayed with me for some time, until my family had an opportunity to visit Denver when the Bishop came. When I saw Bishop Gregory (then Fr. Gregory) sitting to the Bishop’s right, I assumed that this man must be the infamous Fr. Gregory. I forewarned my parents that this was the man I had told them about, etc. When my parents approached Vladyka Gregory to ask for his blessing, my father, who is legally blind and has cerebral palsy, attentively listened to Vladyka. Then in a most compassionate manner, Vladyka advised my father to endeavor as much as possible not to be a burden on anyone. My father received this heartfelt advice with a profound bow, and a sincere thank you, assuring Vladyka that he would endeavor to fulfill this, which would lessen the burden on the whole family. This is exactly what my father needed to hear at that moment.

When I saw this exchange from a distance, my heart sank, for I knew at that moment that my parents loved Vladyka Gregory.

From that time on, my father, in his typical Irish sense of humor, did not cease to mock my criticisms of Vladyka. I remember with joy his affectionate humor!

Not too long after that, I came with my spiritual father to the Skete with great nervousness. Little did I know, my priest was coming to ask for forgiveness for joining in a conspiracy to criticize Vladyka Gregory to the Synod. I stayed here for one whole week, which had a profound impact on me, after my priest returned to Colorado Springs.

After two days, ruminating over in my mind all the rumors I had heard, in my childish manner I simply asked Vladyka if he was going to do something, anything, to me (I was thinking something traumatic). When he started to laugh, so did I, and for the next three hours I explained to him all that I had heard about him. It was like a revelation to hear the other side of the story. But when he showed me a letter from the abbot I had formerly heard criticize him so vehemently wherein this priest apologized profusely for slandering Vladyka, then I understood how men I respected could fall into the pit of lying and slandering. From that day on, I strove to never believe any kind of rumor about anyone without firsthand knowledge.

I have written this very personal story about my life, because I suspect that there are other people here who have experienced something similar. Unfortunately, they have not had the opportunity to sit down next to Vladyka’s easel and hear “the rest of the story”. Perhaps I can help.

I would be willing to discuss with anyone here anything they’ve heard about Bishop Gregory honestly and objectively, without taking offense at the crudeness of the accusation. God knows that when people become desperate, there is no limit to the abyss of ideas which they are capable of circulating.

We in the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church have nothing to hide from anyone, thank God, which is something very rare in these times.

In Christ,

+George, hegumen

"Obedience is Life and the Opposite is also True."

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Father George,

Welcome - your blessing please!

I know very little about the ROAC -- in all honesty I never even knew it existed untill a little while ago. I grew up Orthodox, and all this "Orthodox fragmentation" still makes me cringe. I like the quote by Saint John Maximovitch -- "There is no such thing as separate 'jurisdictions' - we are all part of Christ's jurisdiction!"

I care very little about all this "Orthodox political church intrigue." I suppose it interests some, but not me.

Welcome again, Father George.

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Great..another person claiming to be the True Church. Just what we need. Maybe I should start my own church.

My soul is lonely dark and afraid.

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logos, I understand your despair--just remember that Christ asks us to do only our best and no better--He understands our weaknesses.

If you are ruthless in your search for Truth, you will not go astray. You will not go to Hell.

Feel free to PM me.

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stgregorythetheologian wrote:

Father George,

Welcome - your blessing please!

God bless you!

stgregorythetheologian wrote:

I know very little about the ROAC -- in all honesty I never even knew it existed untill a little while ago. I grew up Orthodox, and all this "Orthodox fragmentation" still makes me cringe. I like the quote by Saint John Maximovitch -- "There is no such thing as separate 'jurisdictions' - we are all part of Christ's jurisdiction!"

I care very little about all this "Orthodox political church intrigue." I suppose it interests some, but not me.

Welcome again, Father George.

Thank you very much for your welcome.

When I first discovered the Orthodox Church, my family joined an OCA parish in Colorado Springs. We were received into the OCA by having water sprinkled on our heads....which was an appropriate beginning to all that we learned during our sojourn there.

This occured sometime in 1988, before the millenium celebrations in Russia.

As the celebration approached, I recall one Sunday talking with the more friendly members of the parish, who were discussing the fact that no one from the OCA was going to be welcome at the MP's celebration. This surprised me quite a bit. I had always assumed that all the Orthodox Churches in the world had communion with one another.

But then I heard something quite surprising. One of the ladies explained to me that Vladyka Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco had never been a member of the OCA, in fact, he made it a strict rule never to even enter an OCA church.

This revelation had a profound impact on me. My family had great reverence for Saint John, since he was really the first Orthodox Saint we ever read about. To hear that I was in a church that he would not have even gone into, let alone served in, was quite serious to me.

It is true that there is no such thing in Orthodoxy as a jurisdiction, but that does not necessarily mean that everyone calling themselves Orthodox is.

Large congregations, nice singing, beautiful icons, pre-revolutionary gold threaded vestments are all quite nice, but they are not the grace of the Holy Spirit. The grace of God cannot dwell both with us, and simultaneously with those outside of the Church. There is a boundary. And that is why St. John would not enter an OCA church: they are outside of the boundary of the Church.

Its not Church politics to confess the Orthodox Faith. We don't call St. Theodore the Studite, or St. Maximos the Confessor, or Saint Photios the Great, "Church Politicians". We don't call the martyrs "Professional Lobyists". We call them Confessors, Martyrs, Saints. And if we use these holy appellations to acclaim them, it is because Christ desires that we also should emulate them.

So how should we understand Saint John Maximovitch’s above quote? He was referring to those who are truly canonical and who truly confess the Faith. They are the Church and they should be united or in communion with each other. ROAC is the canonical successor to ROCOR and every body knows it is confessing the Faith.

May God have mercy on us and help us to do so.

In Christ,

George, hegumen

"Obedience is Life and the Opposite is also True."

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logos wrote:

Great..another person claiming to be the True Church. Just what we need. Maybe I should start my own church.

God forbid that any one of us should start his own church.

Logos is not alone in his frustration. In our times of such wide spread apostasy, our Lord prophesied that mens' hearts would fail, and grow weary from being lied to over and over again. But the words of the unlying God are never shown to be false: Keep on seeking, and ye shall find. For the seeking souls on this list, if you will choose to accept the truth of what I have written, your search has ended.

In every human being’s life, there will come the hour of his visitation. This hour may come only once, and upon it may hinge the eternal destiny of the soul. For the martyrs, the hour of their visitation came when they were called upon to confess their adherence to the Faith handed down by the Apostles, for which they gave their lives. For the Forty Martyrs of Sebastia, thirty nine of them received the crown prepared, but one missed the hour of his visitation.

George, hegumen

"Obedience is Life and the Opposite is also True."

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