Dr. Laura is completely off her rocker!!!

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Dr. Laura is completely off her rocker!!!

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Dr. Laura Schlessinger has completely lost it, this women is nuts! I don't even know were to begin with a rebuttal to this!

Don't be so quick to forgive!


Posted: October 14, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

It is definitely unhealthy for people to be so quick to forgive. It is often undeniably unhealthy for the individual and potentially dangerous or destructive for the family or community. And I'm tired of folks trying to split hairs with me about the "definition" of forgiveness.

From what I have gleaned over 56 years of life – and a little less than half of them on radio – it is one of the most overused concepts in dealing with so-called "wrongdoers" or folks who perpetrate outright evil. It depowers the innocent and empowers the not-so-innocent. The basic premise of "forgiveness" is always explained by a listener as a means of "letting go" of the pain and rage so that one can have a serene life. Well, my friends, I have a real problem playing with fire just because it makes one "feel better."

Forgiveness is defined first as "absolving" or "granting pardon" for an offense. When one pardons another, he or she basically releases them from obligation or penalty. When one absolves another, he or she frees the other from guilt or blame or responsibility or consequences.

When someone commits an illegal act involving you – battery, theft – it is not an offense solely involving you, it is an offense against society and the civil and moral rules which govern it. Therefore, I always push folks to file reports with the police. Look at it this way, if the person has to deal with the righteous consequences of their actions, they have the opportunity to cleanse their soul, and psyche, and lives from self-centered, thoughtless or immoral tendencies.

Yet, the call I took just this past week on my radio program screamed for no forgiveness. The woman caller's sister had had sex with the caller's husband. The sister had never taken responsibility, never displayed remorse, never tried to repair the damage and never gave the impression that this kind of behavior wouldn't be repeated. Nonetheless, their mutual father, wanting simple "peace" in the family, was nagging my caller to "forgive" her sister. I gave her more than permission, I actually urged her to not forgive her sister.

How trivializing of his wronged daughter's hurt could a father be in the name of "peace." People are often urged to forgive the unforgivable in the name of "peace" or "letting go of ugly emotions." My caller, in my opinion, could only have both by not forgiving.

The enormity of the betrayal and the lack of true remorse beg for no forgiveness. Instead, I urged the caller to let her father know that his request was a further insult to her. I urged her to tell her sister to "kiss off." I also told her that she was entitled to those responses and that the strength she gathered from standing up to a blase attitude about evil-doers would help her be stronger in her life in general.

Finally, I told her that her sister's envious, competitive and destructive behavior was an event. Only she, my caller, could make this event a lifelong experience by perpetually ruminating and suffering. Decided "action" is always an antidote to depressive stagnation.

What too many people aren't told by the "therapists" and "clergy," who urge knee-jerk forgiveness, is that not holding people accountable, not telling and showing them that their actions have severe consequences, will likely make you feel less important and make your pain feel inconsequential.

Yes, there are things that are unforgivable. Don't let folks bully you into forgiveness when, indeed, it is likely to be a further assault upon your well-being.

One other caller, after describing years of all sorts of abuse from her parents – especially her mother – was dealing with her mother dying of stomach cancer. I knew she was feeling intense guilt for not having love for her mother. Yet, she was trying to be a decent person and showing "that woman" compassion while she was dying.

"I love her, you know," she said to me, "she's my mother."

"Actually, my dear," I responded, "you don't love her. How could you, considering all she did and didn't do. One doesn't love because the other has a 'title' of mother. It is still earned. Not by being perfect – no person or parent is – but at least by not being evil."

She'd spent so many years trying to follow the mantra that you should forgive and will attain peace. To do that she had to deny the reality of the truth, of the damage to her, of the loss of her childhood, of the work she was still doing to recover and survive as a normal person with a life she could enjoy and make meaningful.

In her subsequent letter to me, she wrote: "I was able to speak with you today about my dilemma with my mother who is dying of stomach cancer. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate what you said to me about forgiveness and love. I have always had it in the back of my head that love is a two-way street, yet have felt guilty for not truly loving my mother ... I feel relieved that I don't have to excuse my mother's actions and tell her that I forgive her or love her. I take life and love seriously because so much of it was spent being abused by others and myself. Dr. Laura, I agree with you – I am going to be OK. Thank you for being a part of that."

This poor woman believed she had to forgive and love her mother or she was bad. In reality, she had to accept that there are some things you mustn't forgive and that love is earned. Only when she accepted these ideas could she truly come to peace with her past. With no forgiveness, she demonstrated to herself her own value and the magnitude of the unholy assault on an innocent child.

Yes, friends, if a close neighbor borrows your lawnmower when you are not home to give permission, and says they are truly sorry for the trespass, and they do your lawn to compensate, and they go out and buy their own lawnmower to show good faith to their intention of never "borrowing" again, and they ask for forgiveness – give it.

When people tell you to forgive just so that you can move on or create peace for them – don't give it.


Dr. Laura Schlessinger is the best-selling author of books focused on successful relationships, parenting ideas, morality and personal ethics. She may be contacted by fax at (818)461-5140, or by writing: Dr. Laura Schlessinger; P.O. Box 8120; Van Nuys, CA 91409.


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... And you wonder why world peace will never be...

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I agree 100% with what Dr. Laura said in that article. Too many people take a "knee jerk" reaction to forgiveness. I don't think people understand what forgiveness actually is.

What too many people aren't told by the "therapists" and "clergy," who urge knee-jerk forgiveness, is that not holding people accountable, not telling and showing them that their actions have severe consequences, will likely make you feel less important and make your pain feel inconsequential.

I agree with this statement whole-heartedly. I think it is so true, being a jelly fish only exacerbates your problems. I don't think Dr. Laura is nuts. I think she is right. We live in a society where people think that any pain or slightest discomfort is bad.

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Pardon my paraphrasing;

...forgive our debts as we forgive our debtors...how many times should I forgive my brother, seventy times seven...love your neighbor as your self etc, etc, etc.

There is a story from the book The Arena that has stuck with me years after having read it (forgive my paraphrasing, again):

Enmity came between two monks who we like brothers. One fell deathly ill, and called to have the other brought to him so he could ask forgiveness. The other monk replied, ‘I will not forgive him in this life or the next’. At that moment he fell dead and the other was healed.

Also, there is St. Sophia who had to watch her three daughters be murdered, before the same fate befell her. Now, if she wasn’t able to forgive those who martyred her children then what would have her own martyrdom have been worth?

The worst possible thing that you could do to another human being is minuscule in comparison to the slightest transgression against God. If I can not forgive some one what ever thing they did to me, then how could I ever expect to be forgiven by God? Dr.Laura’s stance is based on self pride and self-love. Only a hard hearted and selfish person could never forgive anyone. They have no love for any one other than themself. Only with selfless and self-sacrificing love can we begin to truly forgive those who are indebted to us.

The argument that ‘knee-jerk forgiveness, is not holding people accountable, not telling and showing them that their actions have severe consequences’ is an out and out lie. There IS something call the Dread Judgement. If they are not ‘held accountable’ here in this life, they certainly will be in the next one.

-Please forgive the disjointed nature of this post

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I still disagree. Forgiving people just for sake of "family peace" as talked about in the article is not healthy. What hacks me off is people creating havoc without any consequences to it. Every action has consequences. Just because God forgives does not mean there are no consequences to sin.

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I think that the truth is halfway.

You need to forgive the action that was done in the past, but that does NOT mean that you have to associate with that individual, nor put yourself in the position where you could be taken advantage of again.

I remember reading somewhere that when Jesus' response to forgiving your brother seventy times seventy pre-supposes that the forgiveness was ASKED for by the brother.

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I am sort of between too. However, we have to have no grudges and have to have forgiven everyone in order to receive communion. In the Lord's Prayer we even say "Our Father, Who art in the Heavens, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors ; and let us not enter into temptation but, deliver us from the evil one." In other words we cannot expect God to forgive us for our heinous acts until we forgive others.

It may take time, but while you forgive them you do not allow someone the chance to do something like it again. Such as if someone steals, you can forgive them but it is reasonable to not trust them to guard your money. At least that is how I see it.

This is hard, just like loving our enemies.

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