Timeline Of When Each Local Church Full From Grace

[SavaBeljovic]

@haralampopoulosjc

Replying via this way since the more replies the longer the chain becomes of showing replies, in response to your question: "Do we know if Saint Justin of Celije supported the Free Serbs?"

I don't know. St. Iustin was a very prolific writer, writing dozens of books and probably thousands of letters (many of which are still being discovered and published today), from what I've read of his, I never saw any reference to the Free Serbian Orthodox Church anywhere.

St. Iustin stopped commemorating Pat. German (who persecuted St. Iustin in his life and tried to stop his funeral from happening) so St. Iustin was not a fan of German. He probably did support the FSOC but to say or mention that in any letters would've attracted the ire of the UBDA, undoubtedly leading to an arrest and perhaps worse.

I believe there was another question about non-commemorators in Serbia besides St. Iustin; I've seen references to a few but they were small. I believe some of the Ostrog Fathers became non-commemorators. Some of the Hilandar Fathers wrote harshly about German but they weren't under him to begin with.

My personal estimate is that there was maybe a fifty to a hundred priests who became non-commemorators in the 1960s, with that number probably dropping off in 70s, 80s, 90s etc.

[haralampopoulosjc]

New Timeline:

Greece/Constantinople (1935, when the three bishops of the GOC declared the State Church and Ecumenical Patriarchate to be schismatic and graceless)

Moscow Patriarchate (1943, Metropolitan Sergius is uncanonically elected as the Patriarch of Moscow, creating the false Soviet Church)

Antioch (1948, Patriarch Alexander III of Antioch adopts the New Calendar and joins the WCC)

Jerusalem (1948, Patriarch Timotheos joins the WCC)

Alexandria (1948, Patriarch Christopher II joins the WCC)

Romania (1956, Council of Slatioara in Moldavia, convened and presided over by Metropolitan Galaction, and attended by 3 bishops, and several archimandrites and fathers, condemns the introduction of the new calendar, declares the new calendarists to be schismatic, and formally establishes the Holy Synod of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Romania)

Bulgaria (1961, Patriarch Cyril joins the WCC)

Serbia (1965, Patriarch German joins the WCC. Serbia is the last local church to fall from grace, making the apostasy of World Orthodoxy complete by 1965)

[SavaBeljovic]

Out of curiousity, do we have specific dates on when Antioch adopted the New Calendar and joined the WCC? Or for that matter when specifically Jerusalem and Alexandria joined the WCC that same year?

[haralampopoulosjc]

Out of curiousity, do we have specific dates on when Antioch adopted the New Calendar and joined the WCC? Or for that matter when specifically Jerusalem and Alexandria joined the WCC that same year?

If you Google "when did the Antiochian Patriarchate adopt the New Calendar", it says 1928, but other sources say 1948. Patriarch Gregory IV of Antioch (r. 1906-1928) was opposed to the New Calendar, so it definitely wasn't him who introduced it.

As for when they joined the WCC, I can't pinpoint a specific event, but it says so on their website:

https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... l-the-east
https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... all-africa
https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... -jerusalem

[Thomas_Deretich]

Do we know if Saint Justin of Celije supported the Free Serbs?

Yes, he did, in a long letter: Appeal to the Holy Hierarchical Council/Assembly of the Serbian Orthodox Church Concerning the Church Conflict in America and Canada. It was published in Serbian and English in 1975, and I have read it, but cannot locate it now. Father Justin wanted the Patriarchate to admit it was in error (on ecumenism and on the split in the Serbian diaspora) and he wanted a reconciliation.

Justin Popović, Апел Светом Архијерејском Сабору Српске Православне Цркве Београд Поводом Црквеног Спора у Америци и Канади (Serbian and English; with contribution by S. M. Radovanović, “Духовни лик др Јустина Поповића”; Libertyville, IL: Манастир Св. Саве, 1975), quoted in Diocesan Council of the Free Serbian Orthodox Diocese of the U.S.A. and Canada, A Time to Choose: The Truth About the Free Serbian Orthodox Diocese (Third Lake, IL: Monastery of the Most Holy Mother of God, 1981); and also quoted in Paul Pavlovich, The History of the Serbian Orthodox Church (Toronto: Serbian Heritage Books, 1989).

All three cited works are difficult to find. The 1981 edition of A Time to Choose was replaced with a very different A Time to Choose in 1988, which was a preparation for the sell out of 1991-1992.

[BenjaminMcCraw]

New Timeline:

Greece/Constantinople (1935, when the three bishops of the GOC declared the State Church and Ecumenical Patriarchate to be schismatic and graceless)

Moscow Patriarchate (1943, Metropolitan Sergius is uncanonically elected as the Patriarch of Moscow, creating the false Soviet Church)

Jerusalem (1948, Patriarch Timotheos joins the WCC)

Alexandria (1948, Patriarch Christopher II joins the WCC)

What are your thoughts on the full eucharist communion with full synodal approval of the state synods with the synodally anathematized heretical groups specifically the "Living Church" and the Soviets? Do you think this is not enough to constitute the fall of a state synod? I think SavaBeljovic made a good case for leniency in 1945 under the mistaken assumption of many people of the repentance of the Soviet Church under Patriarch Alexy I initially. There does have to be a point however where being in communion with them constitutes a fall of the synod don't you think?

[BenjaminMcCraw]

Out of curiousity, do we have specific dates on when Antioch adopted the New Calendar and joined the WCC? Or for that matter when specifically Jerusalem and Alexandria joined the WCC that same year?

If you Google "when did the Antiochian Patriarchate adopt the New Calendar", it says 1928, but other sources say 1948. Patriarch Gregory IV of Antioch (r. 1906-1928) was opposed to the New Calendar, so it definitely wasn't him who introduced it.

As for when they joined the WCC, I can't pinpoint a specific event, but it says so on their website:

https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... l-the-east
https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... all-africa
https://www.oikoumene.org/member-church ... -jerusalem

As far as I can find Cyprus, Greece, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem were 6 of the 147 founding members of the WCC in 1948. I've been trying to track down a list that specifically names each one but I haven't found it yet.