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Hello, I just came to the Cafe after signing up 2 Weeks ago as some People asked during a Livestream I should join up. The Cafe is still abit confusing but after 10 or 15 minutes Im starting to get the hang of it. I just wanted to test out posting a Forum and seeing how it works and etc.

Since I have seen a serious lack of any Laity or Clergy from BOSVR here (From what I have seen on Searches and Active Members), I thought I would make this Forum for those who have some Questions or Inquiries on my Synod. I know a pretty good amount about it and been to Romania and had the chance to talk to multiple Priests this past Summer for the Holy Feast Day of Saint Glicherie with the help of another person who knew 6/10 Englisch. Our First Hierarch Metropolitan Evloghius also knows 4/10 Englisch and still learning, along with learning Greek, so I managed to have some time talking with his Eminence as well.

I hope you all had a great week and have a good week to come!!

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There is a serious lack of info in english about what went down with your synod. The little I understand is something happened with your previous first hierarch, a new first hierarch was elected, A rift occurred, was eventually settled between the two before the previous first hierarch passed. But because of that rift the Romanians are no longer in communion with the GOC-K, ROCOR-A, or the Bulgarians. I saw stuff about how they feel betrayed by "the Greeks" and want nothing to do with them. Is that just hot heads and hot air or what is going on?

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I would like to know more about the reputation of Bishop Cozma Lostun among the BOSVR. He was unjustly excluded from the synod in the 1980s, and he ended up joining with my synod, which at the time was under the presidency of Blessed Andreas of Athens. Here is an old entry from a defunct website of our synod regarding our relations with Bishop Cozma:

This year (2000), the Romanian Bishop Cozma (Lostun) petitioned to enter into communion with the True Orthodox Churches of Greece and Cyprus. Bishop Cozma's flock is very small at present. Most Romanians are New Calendarists, and most Romanian Old Calendarists are under the Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie.
The True Orthodox Church of Romania has traditionally preserved a strict ecclesiology identical to that of our synod, and was persuaded to enter into communion with the Akakian Synod of Metropolitan Kallistos of Corinth. Metropolitan Kallistos, a defrocked bishop of our synod, adhered to a strict ecclesiology, but he unwisely consecrated bishops who -- unbeknownst to him -- held divergent views. One of these bishops was Metropolitan Cyprianos of Oropos and Fili, who became the founder of the Synod in Resistance. Metropolitan Cyprianos was able to persuade the Romanian Old Calendarists to be in full communion with his Synod in Resistance. The Cyprianite synod, unfortunately, embraces a false ecclesiology.

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 At present, the vast majority of Romanian Old Calendarists are under the Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie. That synod, in turn, is in communion with the Greek Resisters under Cyprian, with the Bulgarian Old Calendarists under Bishop Photios, and with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. The present situation is something of an anomaly, since the majority of the Romanian Old Calendarists continue to preserve a strict ecclesiology. In 1992, Bishop Cozma severed all communion with the Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie. However, Bishop Cozma has been in poor health for some time, and until recently had only a few families (three, as of July 2000) under his omophorion.
 Already, since the Romanian faithful have begun to learn of Bishop Cozma's stand and his petition to enter into communion with the True Orthodox Churches of Greece and Cyprus, more of them have placed themselves under the omophorion of Bishop Cozma. It is hoped that the true confession of Bishop Cozma may be a beacon to the Romanians, encouraging more of them to take a stand for the ecclesiology they already hold, and to reject communion with the Resisters.
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AustrianAutocrat wrote: Sun 10 August 2025 10:10 pm

.... BOSVR .... for those who have some Questions or Inquiries on my Synod. I know a pretty good amount about it and been to Romania and had the chance to talk to multiple Priests this past Summer for the Holy Feast Day of Saint Glicherie with the help of another person who knew 6/10 Englisch. Our First Hierarch Metropolitan Evloghius also knows 4/10 Englisch and still learning, along with learning Greek, so I managed to have some time talking with his Eminence as well.

Welcome! I have numerous questions. I tried to download all the documents that were issued by the BOSVR synod under Demosten around the time that that synod broke with Vlasie Mogârzan, Kallinikos Sarantopoulos, Agafangel Pashkovskii, and Fotii Siromakhov. It seemed that later "clarifications" on certain documents were actually "walking back" those documents. Then the documents vanished from the website. What happened? What is the current stance of the synod on ecclesiology, intercommunion with other synods, technology, and other issues covered by those documents? Could you type up a couple pages of summary?

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BenjaminMcCraw wrote: Tue 12 August 2025 11:50 am

There is a serious lack of info in english about what went down with your synod. The little I understand is something happened with your previous first hierarch, a new first hierarch was elected, A rift occurred, was eventually settled between the two before the previous first hierarch passed. But because of that rift the Romanians are no longer in communion with the GOC-K, ROCOR-A, or the Bulgarians. I saw stuff about how they feel betrayed by "the Greeks" and want nothing to do with them. Is that just hot heads and hot air or what is going on?

Good day!! Yes it's unfortunate that our Synod almost never releases anything in Englisch even the Parishes in Western Europe and ones in England and Ireland haha.. Only Romanian.. It's sort of a Generational Bishops thing as our Synod primarily focuses on the Romanian People though in recent times, and with some Bishops, we have tried to be more accomadating and try to have Clergy know multiple Languages though that's still transitioning.

As to your Inquiries on the Rift and Severance of Communion between our Synod and the GOC Kallinikos, OCOCB with Metropolitan Photius, and ROCOR Agafangel, it comes down to a few things. Primarily it's due to the Issue Cyprianism. From our View historically Pre 2014, we were not in Communion with any known or open preachers of Cyprianism. Yes there is controversey but BOSVR had talked to their Bishops about this Theses but, as they still do today, the Bishops of HSR always said that it was initially a private matter and they agreed that it was simply a potential Theses but they did not change their Confession of Faith in terms of their Views on the Patriarchates aka Global Orthodoxy (Agnostic View) so we were okay with the Communion with them and OCOCB and ROCA. When 2014 and the GOC and HSR Union came about, we sat down and our Synods had to Translate as all the Romanian Hierarchs then knew little to know other Language and when our Bishops had the Documents translated, we had some of our Bishops sign onto it. However a couple years after, we noticed some differences in Translations and thought that this Condemnation of Cyprianism was not so adaquate enough but the fact the Translations were false made some of our Bishops feel betrayed and very annoyed, as if GOC Kallinikos was trying to have us sign onto something different.

Metropolitan Vlasie felt that it was fine and it was only some minor things and GOC and BOSVR had understanding but other Bishops felt this wasn't something to stroll past. A few years down the line, after some occasional debates and conflicts, we had found another woman living with Metropolitan Vlasie, who was 40 years old or so, and Clergy found out she was occasionally taking Money from the Synod so the Holy Synod deposed him. Despite some of Canons he broke and being abrasive to getting into potential conflict with the other Synods, he ended up apologizing and the Synod forgave him and welcomed him back as a Brother and then he died soon after. Though 2 or 3 minor BOSVR Parishes thought his Deposition was unfair and were not as on board with the notion of severing Communion with the other Synods so they severed Communion and went to be under ROCOR Agafangel sadly.

After Metropolitan Demosten came to be First Hierarch in 2022, he and most of the Holy Synod agreed to plainly sever Communion with the GOC Kallinikos Communion Sphere until they rectify the Situation and make up for the false/bad Translations and also felt uneasy about recently hearing of the things going on in ROCOR Agafangel which was some rumours of Cyprianism. For most Bishops and majority of Clergy, other than very basic knowledge and what's shown to us face to face with them, we dont have vast Information on Russian Synods and what they have been doing in the past 10 years or so. Even in ROCOR Agafangel, and this is more likely due to the fact we dont have many Russian Speakers in the Synod in general and we barely concelebrate with them, among other things. Though in recent times we are getting more privy and up to date to them. I myself handed some concering Writings and Interviews from Metropolitan Agafangel and to the Synod so they are more aware of the Situation since I know Moderate Russian and know some Laity in ROCANA and such.

Since the Election of his Eminence Metropolitan Evloghius in September of 2024, he has abit more emtoion and thoughts on the Matter concerning GOC Kallinikos and he is more on the side of not wanting to deal with GOC Kallinikos much anymore after anaylzing the Documents in detail a few more years ago and he also knows some Greek and English to. I heard from some Laity and a Deacon that his Eminence is inquiring about a Communion with GOC Makarios which is abit daring considering our past Relationship with Kallinikos and a good deal of Clergy are still abit fond of Kallinikos and they also really enjoy ROCANA. Though for now, as I am told by a few Priests and Archbishop Flavian, we can attend a GOC Parish if we are abroad though we are not given permission to take Sacraments from the GOC Kallinikos nor it's Communion Sphere. Publicly, Metropolitan Evloghius says we are just awaiting for GOC Kallinikos to rectify the Situation but on a more Synodal Level, we have some talks going around with a Couple Synods. What happens next is not certain however as it's only talks and we are careful but for now we remain by ourselves and hold no Formal Communion with any Synod.

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Thomas_Deretich wrote: Tue 12 August 2025 9:27 pm

Welcome! I have numerous questions. I tried to download all the documents that were issued by the BOSVR synod under Demosten around the time that that synod broke with Vlasie Mogârzan, Kallinikos Sarantopoulos, Agafangel Pashkovskii, and Fotii Siromakhov. It seemed that later "clarifications" on certain documents were actually "walking back" those documents. Then the documents vanished from the website. What happened? What is the current stance of the synod on ecclesiology, intercommunion with other synods, technology, and other issues covered by those documents? Could you type up a couple pages of summary?

Thank you and Good day!! On the first premise I would very much disagree the Synod 'broke with Vlasie' in the meaning of as if there was any kind of Schism of the sort. As I explained in a prior comment, a few years after the 2014 Union Signing, some noticed some discrepencies in the Translations as they changed a few words around and was abit bad when every Document should be Translated the same from English to Greek to Russian to Bulgarian to Romanian and etc. Around 2018/2019 some of our Bishops brought this up and Metropolitan Vlasie was abit abrasive and wasn't sure about bringing the topic up again to GOC Kallinikos as he thought it was alright as they all had a sort of verbal understanding on the Condemnation of Cyprianism (As to clear the air once and for all and not have these claims thown against the GOC nor other Synods in the Communion and have a Pan Synodal Condemnation) and some Bishops even posited severing Communion. A couple years later, it was found a 40 year old or so woman was living with Metropolitan Vlasie and she was even taking some money from the Synod for her personal life and lifestyle. Once the Bishops found out, we simply convened a Council to depose him and he was deposed. Soon after his Deposition he ended up coming to the Bishops and asking for genuine forgiveness for a few of his Actions like breaking a couple Canons so the Synod forgave him and he lived the few months he had left as a retired Bishop and passed on (2021).

There are 2 or 3 minor Parishes in Romania from our Synod which broke away and have some small justification on how the Deposition was wrong so they decided to sever ties with us and then join under the Omophorion of ROCOR Agafangel who accepted them and his Synod now trespasses on our Canonical Territory. After the Election of Metropolitan Demosten (2022-2024), and after a few years now, our Synod decided to sever Communion with GOC Kallinikos, OCOCB (Bulgarians), and ROCOR Agafangel due to the main thing being the Translations being bad so our Synod treated it like a subversive sort of move and feeling betrayed and lied to. After Metropolitan Evloghius (2024 to Present) came to be our new First Hierarch, he who was abit more displeased with GOC Kallinikos, has continued what the Synod has been doing since 2021 and remaining out of their Communion and publicly will say that we are awaiting for a them to rectify this Situation along with some issues we see with ROCOR Agafangel. For our Synod, we are not as privy to Rus Synods and their current on goings in the last 10 years or so other than whats on the surface level and what they tell us if they meet our Bishops as we have very little, if any, Clergy who speak Russian and we barely concelebrate with any Rus Synods.

There is some talk that his Eminence Metropolitan Evloghius was so frustrated by the Actions of GOC Kallinikosm, that he is inquiring into getting into Communion with GOC Makarios. Whether this happens or not is yet to be seen. Publicly we await GOC Kallinikos to rectify this Situation and if they do then returning to Formal Communion. If they dont, then we are not entering into Communion. While on a more Synodal Level between Bishops, we have engaged in some talks with a few other Synods. Whether they work out or not is up to the Bishops and how things pan out. For now, we have no Formal Communion with any Synod, when I asked a couple Priests and Archbishop Flavian, they told me that if someone abroad attends GOC Kallinikos Parish, then it's okay so long as we dont partake in their Sacraments like Eucharist or Confession as things stand now. We still hold our Past Ecclesiology since the times of Saint Glicherie so nothing has changed in that matter.

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haralampopoulosjc wrote: Tue 12 August 2025 6:37 pm

I would like to know more about the reputation of Bishop Cozma Lostun among the BOSVR. He was unjustly excluded from the synod in the 1980s, and he ended up joining with my synod, which at the time was under the presidency of Blessed Andreas of Athens. Here is an old entry from a defunct website of our synod regarding our relations with Bishop Cozma..

Hello and good day!! Ahh yes Bishop Cozma. I will be honest, I am not as privy or 100% knowledgable on his Situation and his later Life however I do know some things. When he was a very young adult, he wanted to follow close to our beloved Saint, Holy Hierarch Glicherie who at the time was a Hieromonk so he became a Monastic of the Church and would on and off see Saint Glicherie when he could and when he was not administering to others or speaking with others such as Holy Hierodeacon David Bidascu whom Saint Glicherie was very close with as friends. After Saint Glicherie was appointed a Bishop, he was made a Hieromonk and then later an Abbot of Slatioara and then Bishop in 1978. Bishop Cozma very much admired the Holy Hierarch and was there for much of his Life.

Given the Situation that barely any of our Clergy could exit the Iron Curtain, we did get very minor moments where we managed to get some Clergy to go across it and enter Greece. We had very limited knowledge but first saw Metropolitan Kallistos and his Synod and entered into Formal Communion with him which wasn't an issue with any of us. He even came to Slatioara to concelebrate as well which was good. After Metropolitan Kallistos passed, Leadership went towards Metropolitan Cyprian and given we were still kinda closed off, we continued the Relations as it were despite a few with minor Skepticism and hearing some Rumours. In 1984 Bishop Cozmas was one of them who said he was a skeptic and should remain out of Communion with him but he went as far as to say the entire Synod was Heretical (This was some left to go back to what would be GOC Kallinikos). By this point as well, he was being accused of harvesting Money for the Synod and a few other accusations and actually letting a Fire Spread abit more than it could have, which broke out at Slatioara Monastery due to, what some may see, his dissatisfaction with the Holy Synod. Whether the latter part is true or not, I can't say though I would lean no because of the fact he went on to write letters to the Communist President Nicolae to get Police and Investigators involved so he can be proven right. As you can see, that will probably raise some goosebumps among Clergy and Monastics in Slatioara Monastery though nothing came up of this Letter to the Governemnt.

In our view, HSR wasn't holding to Cyprianite in their Confession of Faith and we even stated this during the early 2000s when his Thesis was becoming more known to the public. Mind you, we had not as much Information of what goes on in Greece 24/7 esp in the 1980s and 1990s but nonetheless when our Bishops vetted them and inquired this about them, Bishop Ambrose of Methone and Bishop Auxentios (Who to this day also explain this) told us that their Confession of Faith wasn't Cyprianite and held to an Orthodox Confession and Faith, which they presented and showed us, and explained that the Thesis was simply a Thesis, not a Dogma. It was initially a more behind the doors Synodal Discussion in the HSR which Metropolitan Cyprian mingled with and talked about however the Holy Synod came into an agreement to put it to the side and conclude that their current COF was correct and they will stick to it. As for any accusations leveled on Metropolitan Cyprian which is more private is up to debate, I am only explaining how Clergy of our Church views the Situation generally here on the matter of HSR.

At this point in 1985, Bishop Cozma started to be shunned away and restricted from Slatioara Monastery along with communications with Saint Glicherie who was essentially bed ridden before his passing in the same year. At the same time he went back to his Native Village in the Saru Dornei Commune and sent a Letter to Bishop, later Metropolitan, Silvestru accusing him of trying to hijack the Synod and change it's Ecclesiology, though many found the accusation quite ridiculous especially knowing Metropolitan Silvestru who was commited to holding a Solid Confession of Faith. Bishop Cozma was also put on temporary suspension from the Episcopacy in the same year, however he was not defrocked or anything as of yet, for causing some ruckus and acting out abit and a few other things that accumulated and in the same year also began plans for Constructing his new Dornelor Monastery which wasnt completed until 1990. By 1989, almost every one sees him as a disgruntled kind of rogue Bishop who didnt want to relax himself and chat with the Synod anymore so he announced his Seperation from Slatioara.

From there Bishop Cozma was kind of on his own and had very little Clerical support. In 1999, after having a Stroke and having troubles moving, he heard of Saint Glicherie's incorrupt relics and recognized him as a Saint and even tried to go to venerate his Relics but he didnt manage to due to his Condition so he recognized Saint Glicherie as a Holy Saint. One of the most notable People who was with Bishop Cozma since the 1990s was the Nephew of Metropolitan Vlasie, Archimandrite Iosif. He would help to build and take care of the Monastery and even become the Abbot until after his passing in 2002, and the nafter a few years he went to be under the Omophorion of Metropolitan Vlasie and eventually become one of the Bishops of the Holy Synod.

As for Bishop Cozma, well there is the Story with him and what happened and etc. We still have his Grave Stone still standing at Dornelor Monastery to this Day as far as I know and I can't say I agree with the decisions though Im sure People were understanding of his concerns and such. Im not here to cast stones at him per say and I could have missed some things that my Priest didn't tell me or Information about him from my Synod but generally this is what transpired.

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