Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Jean-Serge wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 9:48 am

A pannychida for someone who died in schism is for sure a cause of alarm ! If people want to solve things, they should go back to the roots, sit quietly, discuss, clean the mess, and then re-enter in formal communion. You build the base, then the walls, after the roof... God is a God of order, not of sentimental disorders. Metropolitan Demetrios only creates potential disorder that adds nothing positive or that was lacking.

I repeat my question: "Is a Panakhida for an Orthodox nun by an Orthodox Bishop now cause for alarm?" And I will ask further: Did Lesna go into schism from the True Russian Orthodox Church? Is Ukaze 362 now worthless? Has the HCA been fully restored? Is Metropolitan Demetrius a heresiarch? If the answer to any of these questions is "yes" then you might have something worth discussing on the matter, but I answer all of them as "no". So I at least am glad he was there to do that. The simple reality is that in a time of mass confusion and heresy, there are many ways for God to resolve disorder in the Church.

Let us take more time to remember the reposed, and our own death, and hope Our Lord grants us mercy before the end.

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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If you're in schism or in a parasynagogue, you're not in the church...

Ukaze 362 in no place allows a bishop member of a synod to leave this synod. It is one of the most abused text to justify the creation of any parasynagog, whihc led to having now more than 15 ROCORs or ROCOR-descendants...

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Jean-Serge wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 11:27 am

If you're in schism or in a parasynagogue, you're not in the church...

Ukaze 362 in no place allows a bishop member of a synod to leave this synod. It is one of the most abused text to justify the creation of any parasynagog, whihc led to having now more than 15 ROCORs or ROCOR-descendants...

Unfortunately, only a future HCA can determine cases of this sort, because Uk. 362 gives sufficiently wide leverage for a Bishop to administer independently. The future ROCOR-MP made that exact same accusation against the Free Russian Church in the 1990s, and they were wrong.

At this point I think Ukaze 362 was downright prophetic.

The canons are in place to guide us to right order, not to judge everyone else's circumstances from a distance, particularly other Orthodox. Instead of challenging the ecumenists and Sergianists, we turn on each other into a circular firing squad. Instead of spreading the Gospel we attack each other; rather than doing what we can to stop antichrist, we speed him along. We have to do better.

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Thanks for this information, Jean-Serge.

Do you know WHEN Mother Angelina was the Abbess ?
Had to be before Abbess Makrina, but directly before ?
Or some years earlier ?

I too am surprised at Met Demetrios' serving the pannikhida, but maybe he was the only clergyman around at the time ?

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Barbara wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 10:58 pm

Thanks for this information, Jean-Serge.

Do you know WHEN Mother Angelina was the Abbess ?
Had to be before Abbess Makrina, but directly before ?
Or some years earlier ?

I too am surprised at Met Demetrios' serving the pannikhida, but maybe he was the only clergyman around at the time ?

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Mother Angelina and Mother Macrina are the one and same person. Mother Macrina withdrew from her status of higumena, took the creat schema and became Mother Angelina (in 2019, I think).

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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Oh ! I see, thank you so much, Jean-Serge.

I couldn't think of ANY Mother Angelina at the Convent. We all know of Abbess Magdalena [Grabbe] to whom Metropolitan Philaret wrote the famous letter.

But after her, was that Abbess Macrina, or probably another abbess in between ?

2019 was when this Euphrosynos Cafe became a hermit for 2 years.
So THAT must be why I never heard about Abbess Makrina taking the great schema. We did miss a lot of news during that time, I assume.

Was she given the name Angelina for St Angelina [Brankovic] of Serbia, or another St Angelina, if you happen to know ?

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Re: Lesna: repose of schema-female-monk Angelina

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As far as I know, she was indeed given Was the name Angelina for St Angelina [Brankovic] of Serbia.

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