Has Joshua Schwooping's claims been addressed?

[NektariosLopez]

Fr., have you addressed Joshua Schwooping's claims? I only listened to ₄₀ minutes of this but he claims that EO tries to shill itself as super mystical and very anti-western but as he dug into the fathers and councils there's a lot of double speak from modern priests and bishops as to what they teach contrary to the fathers. He claims EO is a "cacophony" on history and dogmas. He at one point does mention True Orthodoxy but as though it's a "camp" of the Orthodox "sphere" though he acknowledges the lack of communion with world orthodox.

[SavaBeljovic]

Father Joseph mentioned Joshua Schwooping on a live stream after someone asked a question about him. He put it best, he was a Protestant who was lured into WO by Ecumenists, and never really converted. He went through seminary and only after seminary did he start to read and realize the Orthodox Church confirms things like iconography and the perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos.

That should tell you everything right there, that someone could go four years through WO seminary and not realize basic dogmas of the Orthodox Faith. I think St. Nikolaj was onto something about seminary being a disgrace...

[NektariosLopez]

Father Joseph mentioned Joshua Schwooping on a live stream after someone asked a question about him. He put it best, he was a Protestant who was lured into WO by Ecumenists, and never really converted. He went through seminary and only after seminary did he start to read and realize the Orthodox Church confirms things like iconography and the perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos.

That should tell you everything right there, that someone could go four years through WO seminary and not realize basic dogmas of the Orthodox Faith. I think St. Nikolaj was onto something about seminary being a disgrace...

What I took from the bit I listened to him is that as you mentioned, or rather Fr Joseph, that he felt like he was shilled something entirely different from world orthodoxy, and I agree that as we're seeing more WO conversions trending perhaps there's an attempt to get people through the door in his experience but under false pretenses, hard to say, but that he found the Holy fathers are far more rigid than modernist priests, bishops, and youtube talking heads of world orthodoxy teach. Somehow this led him back to protestantism. I might've missed the leap somehow.

[SavaBeljovic]

Father Joseph mentioned Joshua Schwooping on a live stream after someone asked a question about him. He put it best, he was a Protestant who was lured into WO by Ecumenists, and never really converted. He went through seminary and only after seminary did he start to read and realize the Orthodox Church confirms things like iconography and the perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos.

That should tell you everything right there, that someone could go four years through WO seminary and not realize basic dogmas of the Orthodox Faith. I think St. Nikolaj was onto something about seminary being a disgrace...

What I took from the bit I listened to him is that as you mentioned, or rather Fr Joseph, that he felt like he was shilled something entirely different from world orthodoxy, and I agree that as we're seeing more WO conversions trending perhaps there's an attempt to get people through the door in his experience but under false pretenses, hard to say, but that he found the Holy fathers are far more rigid than modernist priests, bishops, and youtube talking heads of world orthodoxy teach. Somehow this led him back to protestantism. I might've missed the leap somehow.

Abp. Irenaios mentioned it in another thread, but Protestants will read the Holy Fathers like they read the Scriptures. Selectively, and only in an attempt to confirm what they already believe. Being in an area with quite a few low church Protestants, if they have any knowledge of the Fathers whatsoever, its only ever an attempt to confirm what they already believe. Some, that a dearest brother dealt with in person, had only scoured the Fathers for quotes confirming their idea of "Sola Scriptura" and found two specific quotes, taken out of context, by St. Augustine and St. Athanasius. The idea of "consensus patrum" is very foreign to Protestants -- and inconvenient.

They'll also quote condemned heretics and place them on equal level with the Fathers, such as Origen or Tertullian. With no authority telling them who the Fathers are, this will also become a common mistake. It doesn't help that many WO Bishops will claim Origen is a "Saint" either. If you look at something like the AWRV, it's very clear certain WO jurisdictions are not interested in people leaving Roman Catholicism, Anglicanism, Lutheranism etc. and actually understanding what is wrong about them, but that they join Antioch or the OCA etc. and do continue doing what they did before.