Thomas Deretich and Name-Worshipping

[Suaidan]

Imiaslavie is a complex topic and if HOCNA teaches a heretical version of it, is difficult to say. You come out and call them heretics. That's quite an accusation and I would be careful with throwing that out easily.

He's not throwing it out easily. It was condemned by the Russian Synod in 1913, in ROAC again in 2005, and GOC-K spoke out against it in 2014. My Synod condemned it as well a couple of years later. Imyaslavie comes back at this point because of HTM/Luriyite fan fiction of it being part of True Orthodoxy and it's a disgusting lie.

Having known people who had their lives threatened for standing up to it, I would be very careful if I were you trying to promote that as Orthodoxy on this forum.

[Lazarún Zalónir]

Imiaslavie is a complex topic and if HOCNA teaches a heretical version of it, is difficult to say. You come out and call them heretics. That's quite an accusation and I would be careful with throwing that out easily.

He's not throwing it out easily. It was condemned by the Russian Synod in 1913, in ROAC again in 2005, and GOC-K spoke out against it in 2014. My Synod condemned it as well a couple of years later. Imyaslavie comes back at this point because of HTM/Luriyite fan fiction of it being part of True Orthodoxy and it's a disgusting lie.

Having known people who had their lives threatened for standing up to it, I would be very careful if I were you trying to promote that as Orthodoxy on this forum.

OldCalendarZealot told me that imiyaslavie was saying "In the name of God, we praise thee." they try saying they dont worship sounds or letters

[eish]

Imiaslavie is a complex topic and if HOCNA teaches a heretical version of it, is difficult to say. You come out and call them heretics. That's quite an accusation and I would be careful with throwing that out easily.

If I go too far then I must apologise, but as far as everything I know I cannot accept them unless they condemn it. The fathers rejected not only those who themselves taught heresy, but also those who tolerate it.

He's not throwing it out easily. It was condemned by the Russian Synod in 1913, in ROAC again in 2005, and GOC-K spoke out against it in 2014. My Synod condemned it as well a couple of years later. Imyaslavie comes back at this point because of HTM/Luriyite fan fiction of it being part of True Orthodoxy and it's a disgusting lie.

Having known people who had their lives threatened for standing up to it, I would be very careful if I were you trying to promote that as Orthodoxy on this forum.

I take your word for it as far as details go, Father, as I did not check that. I merely go by the fact that I see some HTM people promoting it although I heard that Rdr. Sava said at least some of them do not believe it, which I presume makes it not officially accepted doctrine.

To me it is good enough to see how the Holy Fathers reacted to those who rejected iconoclasm but nevertheless communed with iconoclasts. I forget the saint's name now--this seems to be a theme--but one of them communed with bishops who pronounced anathema with their lips only before him, and afterwards repented of his sin, having known who they were under.

[Suaidan]

Please Father, lets not start some war, we need to be patient and try to understand them, even though you don't like me, you could at least listen to me.

Make you a deal: you can lecture me on what to do after you've joined True Orthodoxy. As in, actually received by a priest.

[Lazarún Zalónir]

Please Father, lets not start some war, we need to be patient and try to understand them, even though you don't like me, you could at least listen to me.

Make you a deal: you can lecture me on what to do after you've joined True Orthodoxy. As in, actually received by a priest.

I am sorry, i wont speak more on this matter.

[Suaidan]

I am sorry, i wont speak more on this matter.

Thank you. And let me add I don't like you or dislike you. I will say I don't trust you based on things that have happened here and things other people who have interacted with you have told me, but I don't know you.

So please stop the whole "like/dislike" mumbo-jumbo. My last word on that.

[Bruder Klaus]

Imiaslavie is a complex topic and if HOCNA teaches a heretical version of it, is difficult to say. You come out and call them heretics. That's quite an accusation and I would be careful with throwing that out easily.

If I go too far then I must apologise, but as far as everything I know I cannot accept them unless they condemn it. The fathers rejected not only those who themselves taught heresy, but also those who tolerate it.

He's not throwing it out easily. It was condemned by the Russian Synod in 1913, in ROAC again in 2005, and GOC-K spoke out against it in 2014. My Synod condemned it as well a couple of years later. Imyaslavie comes back at this point because of HTM/Luriyite fan fiction of it being part of True Orthodoxy and it's a disgusting lie.

Having known people who had their lives threatened for standing up to it, I would be very careful if I were you trying to promote that as Orthodoxy on this forum.

I take your word for it as far as details go, Father, as I did not check that. I merely go by the fact that I see some HTM people promoting it although I heard that Rdr. Sava said at least some of them do not believe it, which I presume makes it not officially accepted doctrine.

To me it is good enough to see how the Holy Fathers reacted to those who rejected iconoclasm but nevertheless communed with iconoclasts. I forget the saint's name now--this seems to be a theme--but one of them communed with bishops who pronounced anathema with their lips only before him, and afterwards repented of his sin, having known who they were under.

Define it. What is it?