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Who is debating exactly?

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The video description is below in case you missed it:

Father John Whiteford and Father Joseph Suaiden try to hash out the different perspectives on who is the authentic Orthodox Church and what difficulties are posed by the other side.

Topics:

-KGB/FSB involvement & Sergianism vs Peter the Great's "reforms"
-Is ROCOR getting more liberal due to MP influence?
-The WCC
-Political motivations for union between ROCOR and MP
-Is Global Orthodoxy graceless?
-New calendar saints (Paisios for example)
-Old Calendar" saints (Elder Ieronymos of Aegina, Elder Kallinikos the Hesychast, and Elder Philoumen of Jacob's Well)
-ROCOR anathemas
-Fragmented nature of TO
-Tangental communion prior to 2000
-Conciliarity and the Adoption of the New Calendar in 1924
-Intercommunion between Alexandria-Antioch and the Monophysites?

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I do not wish to be dismissive, but Fr. John Whiteford is... not very honest or charitable. He will drag his feet on subjects and one moment admit we're right about something, and then the next minute deny it. Patrick Trugila, whom I do like him and his writings, also does not wish to portray True Orthodoxy honestly from stories I have heard and from personal experience I have had with him.

I am also concerned about the amount of topics being discussed as being perhaps a tactic in of itself. When I showed the debate topics to one of our brothers in the Faith his response was: "Are they going to talk for five hours?"

I feel like it could be used a way to make sure no point or conclusion is reached, since there'll be a finite amount of time and as soon as Fr. Joseph starts getting to a conclusion, they might pull the rug out from underneath him and move to another subject. As so to make it seem like the True Orthodox are blubbering and don't have really solid points.

May God help Fr. Joseph speak the Truth on Orthodoxy and may the debate be profitable. I hope my fears are unfounded.

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SavaBeljovic wrote: Wed 25 December 2024 11:02 am

I feel like it could be used a way to make sure no point or conclusion is reached, since there'll be a finite amount of time and as soon as Fr. Joseph starts getting to a conclusion, they might pull the rug out from underneath him and move to another subject. As so to make it seem like the True Orthodox are blubbering and don't have really solid points.

May God help Fr. Joseph speak the Truth on Orthodoxy and may the debate be profitable. I hope my fears are unfounded.

I've asked for opening statements and so this will have opening and closing statements. Since we know the topics in advance, we will be able to proceed ok on each subject.

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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