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Article published the other day by OrthoChristian includes two of my anecdotes above, but I'll post the entire article anyway as there are two other striking stories :

Tobacco Enfeebles the Soul, Strengthens the Passions, and Darkens the Mind

As Elder Ambrose wrote, “tobacco enfeebles the soul, multiplies and strengthens the passions, darkens the mind, and destroys bodily health by a slow death.”

One of his spiritual daughters confessed:

“Batiushka! I smoke, and it torments me.”

“Well,” the Elder answered her, “it’s not a huge problem if you can quit.”

“That’s just it,” she says, “the trouble is that I can’t quit!”

“Then it’s a sin,” the Elder said, “and you must repent of it, and you must break free from it.”

In Optina Monastery, they used to speak about how intolerant Archbishop Gregory (Mitkevich), who headed the Kaluga Diocese from 1851 to 1881, was toward smokers.

As Elder Nektary said:

In the days of Archbishop Gregory, a Spirit-filled man and lover of monasticism, the following occurred. A seminarian from Kaluga, who graduated as valedictorian and was personally known to Vladyka due to his outstanding gifts, was to prepare for ordination to one of the best positions in the diocese.

He went to the Archbishop for a blessing and to learn the date of his ordination. The Archbishop received him with exceptional kindness, spoke with him graciously, and having shown him fatherly affection, let him go, telling him the date of his ordination. However, before dismissing the candidate, he made sure to ask:

“Brother, do you smoke?”

“No, Your Eminence,” the man replied, “I do not.”

“Well, that’s good,” the Archbishop exclaimed joyfully, “what a fine fellow you are! Well then, prepare yourself, and may the Lord bless you!”

Then the candidate bowed to the ground before the hierarch, as is customary. His coat flew open, and cigarettes began falling one after another onto the floor from his inside breast pocket.

The Archbishop flushed with indignation.

“What possessed you to lie to me?” he exclaimed in great anger. “To whom did you lie? When did you lie? While preparing to serve God in holiness and truth?... Get out! There’s no place for you and there never will be...”

And with that, he drove from his sight the liar who had lost his trust forever.


The religious writer Sergei Alexandrovich Nilus (1862–1929), who lived at Optina Monastery at the beginning of the twentieth century, once wrote about himself: “I continue my mental struggle with the vice of smoking, but so far unsuccessfully. But I must give up this vile and foolish habit: I feel it destroying my health, a gift of God, and that’s a sin. I must break free from it, but how? I’m comforted by the words of our elders, who promised me deliverance from this sin, ‘when the time comes.’”

In his journal, the writer recorded, “I had a severe attack of a suffocating cough last night. Serves me right! It’s all from smoking, which I can’t seem to quit. I’ve been smoking since third grade, and have so thoroughly saturated myself with this accursed nicotine that it’s probably become an integral part of my blood. I need a miracle to get me out of the clutches of this vice—I lack the resolve to do so. I’ve tried to quit smoking; I gave it up for two days, but I was overcome by such anguish and bitterness that this new sin became worse than the other. Fr. Barsanuphius forbade me to even try such things, instead limiting my daily allotment to fifteen cigarettes (I used to smoke endlessly).

“‘Not all at once, not all at once,’ the Elder told me. ‘Everything in its own time. Your hour will come, and you won’t smoke anymore.’

“Elder Joseph told me to pray to the Holy Martyr Boniface and said, ‘Hope, don’t despair. In due time, God willing, you’ll quit!’“Fr. Anatoly said the same thing and almost in the same words. And still, I keep smoking and smoking, even though my smoker’s cough is tearing my insides to shreds.

“There was an instance, in Sarov, at the spring of St. Seraphim, when I was healed for some time of my cough, but I didn’t quit smoking, although my Sarov spiritual father fervently insisted on it—and the sickness from which I suffer so painfully came back.”


Elder Ambrose wrote in detail to Alexei Stepanovich Mayorov about how to rid oneself of the pernicious passion of smoking. In a letter dated October 12, 1888, he advised the following spiritual remedies: “Confess all your sins in detail, for your whole life starting from age seven, receive Holy Communion, and stand and read the Gospel daily, one chapter or more. And when anguish strikes, read again until it passes. If it strikes again, read the Gospel again. Or instead, make thirty-three full prostrations in private, in memory of the Savior’s earthly life and in honor of the Holy Trinity.”

When Alexei received the letter and read it, he lit a cigarette as usual. However, he unexpectedly got a severe headache and an aversion to tobacco smoke. The next day, he tried to smoke several times but couldn’t do it. And thus he broke free from smoking. When he came to Optina Monastery to thank Elder Ambrose for deliverance from this severe affliction, the Elder touched his aching head with his staff, and his headache went away.

Translation by Jesse Dominick

Optina Monastery
11/29/2024
Tobacco Enfeebles the Soul, Strengthens the Passions, and Darkens the Mind

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Barbara wrote: Sun 1 December 2024 9:41 pm

Article published the other day by OrthoChristian includes two of my anecdotes above, but I'll post the entire article anyway as there are two other striking stories :

Tobacco Enfeebles the Soul, Strengthens the Passions, and Darkens the Mind

As Elder Ambrose wrote, “tobacco enfeebles the soul, multiplies and strengthens the passions, darkens the mind, and destroys bodily health by a slow death.”

One of his spiritual daughters confessed:

“Batiushka! I smoke, and it torments me.”

“Well,” the Elder answered her, “it’s not a huge problem if you can quit.”

“That’s just it,” she says, “the trouble is that I can’t quit!”

“Then it’s a sin,” the Elder said, “and you must repent of it, and you must break free from it.”

In Optina Monastery, they used to speak about how intolerant Archbishop Gregory (Mitkevich), who headed the Kaluga Diocese from 1851 to 1881, was toward smokers.


I was going to post the link to this article when I saw the post but one thing I am confused about is the case with St. Ambrose is that he mentions "it's not a problem if you can quit." The "IF YOU CAN QUIT" is what confused me. Is it seen like alcohol, where drinking wine isn't a sin but once you cross over to drunkeness then it is a sin?

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You are RIGHT, Nektarios ! That entire section bothered me TOO.
1st of all, it wasn't in the biography of Elder Ambrose from which my anecdotes derived. I figured that the OrthoChristian site found that story somewhere else, perhaps originally in Russian.
But it really does NOT sound like Elder Amvrosy anyway !

This particular Optina Elder was VERY STRICT ! All of them were.

He would never say, "it's not a problem if you can quit". Since when have smokers quit their habit easily ? I'm sure this problem prevailed in the mid to later 1800s the exact same as it does today ! Smokers try, maybe reduce cigarettes or quit for a certain time. But lo and behold, oftentimes, they are bac at it again. The pattern continues zigzagging like this.

Having talked with countless numbers of pilgrims, surely the Elder would be well acquainted with the severe difficulty in abandoning that habit.

I am wondering whether this anecdote is not a valid one.

For why on one hand would St Ambrose of Optina list all the dire results of smoking to one supplicant, then let that spiritual daughter off so indulgently ?

Surely the Elder would have stated firmly that she must try her hardest to quit, and given the woman some advanced counsel to make that course of action go better for her ?

After all, he was so helpful as to appear in a dream to the woman whose brother needed help to stop drinking and list what sound to us today as obscure ingredients to give him to drink.

So wouldn't Elder Amvrosy likely also have had some specific remedy or remedies to help his spiritual children who were smokers ?

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It doesn't bother me at all. It means if you understand it as a vice and not a disease which owns you, you can let it go.

The problem is that the 20th century definitions of things like "alcoholism" and "drug addiction" imply that humans are powerless over drugs. In fact, that's what the entire 12-step program is based on. The Fathers understood that man always has a choice, and the Elder understood that if a person believed themselves enslaved to a drug, then it was a sin, they had to repent, and endeavor to quit harder.

Unfortunately, for the better part of the 20th and now even the 21st century, the "substances as all-powerful demons" mentality has made its way powerfully even into Orthodoxy, where people who smoke or drink are treated like possessed people; such treatment rivals only the Donatists in its level of judgment.

I realize my post kinda undermines the whole point of the thread, but I'm kind of a stinker that way. Carry on!

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Please DO say your opinion, Fr Joseph. It makes for a much more thought-provoking thread !

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Suaidan wrote: Sun 8 December 2024 7:05 pm

Unfortunately, for the better part of the 20th and now even the 21st century, the "substances as all-powerful demons" mentality has made its way powerfully even into Orthodoxy, where people who smoke or drink are treated like possessed people; such treatment rivals only the Donatists in its level of judgment.

I thought it was standard patristicic understanding that, except for the grace of God protecting us from the demons, we would be completely powerless against our sins and our passions, and we are given both freedom by God to test our free will, and demonic oppression from God beyond our power to handle in order to humble us... and that being enslaved to our passions is a lower form of demonic possession, since they are not natural to the human person.

I'm certain not a few other people have had the experience of binging on a particular passion, then after it's over, thinking "What came over me? Why did I desire it so strongly then, and not now? Why could I not control myself?" If someone's a slave to a passion to the point where they find themselves compelled to binge uncontrollably, then they're not just possessed - they're possessed and in denial about being possessed... which means that the demons have successfully tricked them into identifying with their passions. But I believe St Isaac the Syrian(Might have been another ascetic Saint) says the first step to overcoming any passion, is to stop identifying with it - to stop treating it as actually part of you.

I say this from experience, growing up an atheist in the world, developing many passions such as ones for drugs, and slowly coming off of at least some of them.

Actually, I even remember one time, when I was around 16, I was spending a week or two accepting cigarettes from random acquaintances, since they kept offering them to me, and I didn't want to be rude. So I did, and two weeks passed. Then one day when I was walking home from school, I inexplicably felt awful in my body, and I didn't know why. Then, I distinctly heard a voice that sounded like me but was 100% not my own voice, say something like "Maybe if I had a cigarette I would feel better." I was completely freaked out, since I know I didn't think it, and I never touched a cigarette after that.

That experience stuck with me, and only after I became Orthodox could I finally make sense of that experience, that it was obviously a demon trying to convince me to smoke. The demons do this with all of our passions - but if they're willing to try and pretend to be me, to my own face, to get me to smoke after just two weeks of smoking, to alleviate physiocal withdrawal symptoms from not smoking, then smoking really must not be not good.

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Krzysztophoros wrote: Wed 11 December 2024 1:27 am

I thought it was standard patristicic understanding that, except for the grace of God protecting us from the demons, we would be completely powerless against our sins and our passions, and we are given both freedom by God to test our free will, and demonic oppression from God beyond our power to handle in order to humble us... and that being enslaved to our passions is a lower form of demonic possession, since they are not natural to the human person.

The operative part is "except for the grace of God protecting us from the demons".

Nevertheless in terms of the passions, that is true, but not everything is sinful by its nature, including tobacco, which over the centuries has had countless medicinal uses and continues to today. Even smoking has had medicinal uses... there is little more dangerous than applying a temporal zeitgest against an eternal standard.

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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