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Are 2016 Pan-Orthodox Council procedures and regulations fair

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I've seen an interesting article on Facebook recently. Here it is.
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Tamar Lomidze- OCP News Service- 10/6/16

The ‘Pan-Orthodox Council’ is scheduled to start on the 19th of June on Crete. From the very beginning, this initiative provoked stormy discussion among Orthodox clerics and laics on the necessity of this event. Today these contradictions threaten to disrupt the holding of the Pan-Orthodox Council.
Antiochian, Bulgarian, Georgian, Russian and Serbian Orthodox Churches have serious concerns about some of the documents up for discussion. Some of these Churches are upset over the Council’s agenda and procedures as well. Besides, Patriarchate of Antioch expressed its discontent over the Ecumenical Patriarchate’s decision to postpone settlement of the Antioch-Jerusalem jurisdictional dispute involving Qatar.
Even among those Churches who officially support the idea to conduct the Holy and Great Council as planned there is a lot of clergies who oppose it. For example, Knot of Holy Mount Athos demanded inclusion in the documents of the Council’s position that non-Orthodox denominations should not be addressed as Churches, and all forms of joint prayers and liturgical action with them should be discontinued. Moreover, at least three Greek Metropolitans refused to represent their Church at the (used to be referred as historical) event.
Firstly, the Council’s draft documents have been in preparation for decades. It’s quite strange that Synods of Local Churches are supposed to vote for them only six months after they were published. And until there is no consolidated and unanimous attitude toward these documents inside the Local Churches, forcibly imposed Pan-Orthodox decision would only split them.
Secondly, as Metropolitan Gabriel of Lovech explained to the site Dobrotolyubie (Philokalia, [url]http://dobrotoliubie.com/2016/06/03/m%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%BE/[/url]), current disagreements couldn’t have been settled properly during pre-conciliar conferences because when someone had wanted to introduce changes, those who had led the meetings of the commission had been saying: “We don’t have regulations for introducing these changes, as we were told at the Synaxis of the Patriarchs, we are to make only small changes.” 
Moreover, Bulgarian Metropolitan claims that according to the Conciliar regulations (which were voted upon by the Patriarchs but not the Council) no amendments would be accepted at the Council as well. “That’s what the members of the commission didn’t know. They thought: “Okay, we’ll sign for the sake of this or that, so that none of the meetings of the commission will fail, because after all there will be the Council”—but it turns out that what was accepted by the commission is, in essence, impossible to change at the Council,” – His Eminence Gabriel says ([img]http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/94090.htm[/img]).
That’s why he says: “they invited us to a Council where everything has already been predetermined”. And I suppose that’s why Greek Metropolitans echo him saying “We are not stooges” ([url]http://orthodoxia.info/news/%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BF-%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AF-%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BD%CE%AE%CE%B8%CE%B7%CE%BA[/url]/).
Thirdly, in order to maintain the principle of Conciliarity, the Moscow Patriarchate proposed to “hold a conference before the Council to tackle all the issues due to which Churches are now refusing to participate one after another.” The head of the Synodal Department for External Church Relations Metropolitan Hilarion said in an interview with Russia-24 channel that if these issues weren’t resolved, it’s probably would be better to postpone the Council. “Decisions at the Council should be made by a unanimous consensus. What does that mean for us? It means not simply the agreement of everyone present in the hall on one statement or another, one document or another. For us it means that all Churches should express agreement with it,” – the hierarch said.
Meanwhile, the Patriarchate of Constantinople which is responsible for coordinating preparations for the Council on June 6 declined the proposal for the discussion of problems obstructing the convocation of the Council. As a result of His All-Holiness Bartholomew’s unwillingness to hear concerns of other thirteen Authocephalous Churches, by now three of them – the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Patriarchate of Antioch and the Patriarchate of Serbia, – have officially refused to take part in the Council until the issues are solved.
Thus, at present, the Holy and Great Council can’t be referred as Pan-Orthodox at all. And what the Rev. John Chryssavgis, an archdeacon and theological adviser to Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, states ([url]https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2016/06/07/leading-cleric-says-orthodox-churchs-vatican-ii-go/[/url]) about unity as an objective has no ground in real Conciliar regulations. Moreover, there is only God above the Synods and it’s just broad consensus and true spirit of love among participants that can prove the rectitude of Council’s decisions.
I hope and pray for such unanimity to be reached in the whole Orthodox world before the Holy and Great Council – even if the meeting will have to be postponed for this sake. Otherwise, the words Holy and Great will simply lose their sense….

Source: http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news ... -or-unite/

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These modernistic rules are not the way that Pan-Orthodox Councils used to be held.

These 2016 rules are very restrictive and do not allow the participation of ALL Orthodox Bishops.

Indeed, their very selective basis is designed to pre-select only those bishops who follow the agenda of the EP.

This is why there has been such a outcry of protest as innovations and heresies are being detected in the documents that have been drafted and apparently there is no way to edit all these pre-councilar documents in a timely manner as 100% consensus is required of the participating hierarchs. Since those participating are very modernistic and liberal, they are not going to agree to any changes to their agenda points, hence the problem.

Hopefully, the various World Orthodox Churches will protest and abstain from attending so that the full force will not be realized. However, the EP and his men (the Orthodox Vatican) have already stated that all the current documents will be in full force no matter who shows up. In effect, this "Orthodox Vatican II" council has already completed its work, and the so-called Great Council is only a charade, a done-deal, a performance. There is nothing to do but to come and celebrate the EP's agenda that he wants to enforce worldwide, which is the beginning of a One-World Religion.

In fact, I would not be surprised if the hierarchs present were to sing the popular Catholic and Protestant hymn:

  • Let there be peace on earth
    And let it begin with me.
    Let there be peace on earth
    The peace that was meant to be.
    With god as our father
    Brothers all are we.
    Let me walk with my brother
    In perfect harmony.

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It seems that some have failed to grasp the most fundamental point, which is, Bartholomew is an ecumenist heretic. Can an apostate and heretic even call for and convene any Orthodox council, let alone a Pan-Orthodox Council? The very recognition of Bartholomew as a lawful Orthodox hierarch is a testimony to the apostasy by all the rest of these local churches, and the community of Mount Athos.

No genuine Orthodox Christian would even consider attending a council convened by a manifest traitor and enemy of Christ, as Bartholomew (Archondonis) has shown himself to be.

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Cyprian wrote:

It seems that some have failed to grasp the most fundamental point, which is, Bartholomew is an ecumenist heretic. Can an apostate and heretic even call for and convene any Orthodox council, let alone a Pan-Orthodox Council? The very recognition of Bartholomew as a lawful Orthodox hierarch is a testimony to the apostasy by all the rest of these local churches, and the community of Mount Athos.

No genuine Orthodox Christian would even consider attending a council convened by a manifest traitor and enemy of Christ, as Bartholomew (Archondonis) has shown himself to be.

Yes, those of us who are true Orthodox know that Bartholomew is pro-abortion, an extreme liberal modernist, and a radical ecumenist who desires a one-world religion, but this thread discusses the futility, the utter hopelessness, of ever seeing a fair "Great" Synod under the oversight of the EP. The rules are stacked against any Orthodox hierarch who has any signs of being a true traditional Orthodox Christian.

Basically, we must pray, fast, and hope that these few remaining traditional Orthodox Christians will see the light and join the True Orthodox before they are altogether neutralized.

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