Anti-Orthodox Politics in the Roman Catholic Church

[Maria]

Vatican negotiations with the Soviets to supplant the Orthodox Church in Russia

By Gregory "Decapolite"

[Barbara]

I have been meaning to go back to this Youtube channel. There were some wonderful videos mentioned on our Forum earlier ; I keep forgetting, though.

I honestly do NOT believe a word of this. I think the interpretation is wrong.
Completely wrong.

I would not say that if you hadn't put this in the Private forums, Maria. I am glad you did.

[Barbara]

It does explain, though, why it was the so-called 'archbishop of canterbury' - that means, the anglican imposter occupying this see - who was involved in trying to secure clemency for Patriarch Tikhon when the Bolsheviks imprisoned him in the early 1920s. 1922, I think ?

I wondered why it was that that anglican leader would take the center stage in securing the release of Russia's first Patriarch in more than 200 years. Why would an anglican leader care ?

I figure that maybe Patriarch Tikhon [Bellavin], while still a Bishop in America, befriended the Episcopalian clergy here as some sort of insurance policy, figuring he might need their help at some point in the future. Likely, Bishop Tikhon did not foresee his election to the newly reinstated Patriarchate. Nor his evil treatment by the Soviets. I saw this strange friendship of his with an episcopalian bishop, attending his 'consecration', as maybe some mix of calculation plus perhaps even a slight premonition that anglicans would have the power to help him, Bishop Tikhon [Bellavin], in a major way later on in his life.

Who could expect he would need such major assistance as to be freed from a dungeon of the atheists-terrorists who took over Russia ?

So it seems that Metropolitan Anthony had these same ideas of alliance with anglicans and avoidance of dealings with Catholics.
This video, therefore, sheds light into a little-known area.

I didn't watch the whole clip : it was too hard to even glance for more than a split second at that picture of The Unmentionable with the hammer and sickle logo!

Let me know if I should persevere and watch the rest. I will if I have missed important things.

[Maria]

I have been meaning to go back to this Youtube channel. There were some wonderful videos mentioned on our Forum earlier ; I keep forgetting, though.

I honestly do NOT believe a word of this. I think the interpretation is wrong.
Completely wrong.

I would not say that if you hadn't put this in the Private forums, Maria. I am glad you did.

There was so much politics in this video, that I had no choice but to publish it in this private forum.

That the Papacy would engage in anti-Orthodox Christian behavior was seen during WWII when Roman Catholics led by the Franciscans in Croatia and in Serbia joined with the Nazis in imprisoning and in killing thousands if not millions of Orthodox Christians. Many were driven by cattle cars and then pushed over the cliffs of Medjugorje to their deaths. The so-called "Virgin of Medjugorje" was merely a ghost as she had the appearance of a ghost in grey apparel on the 40th anniversary of the slaughter of the Serbian Orthodox. This hoax was condemned by the Roman Catholic Bishop of Medjugorje and the Vatican repeatedly. Michael Davies, the Catholic writer from the UK, also wrote about the fraud of Medjugorje and how the Franciscans imprisoned him when he visited Medjugorje so that he would not have freedom of access to gather information for his book.

[Maria]

This article just popped up in my "alternate news."

Is this just speculation or a full out attack on Catholicism?

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/12 ... the-o-t-o/

[Matthew]

This article just popped up in my "alternate news." Is this just speculation or a full out attack on Catholicism?
http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/12 ... the-o-t-o/

Are we only allowed to choose one of those?

[Barbara]

I don't think it was millions of Orthodox who were killed near Medjugorje but certainly thousands.

This was not perpetrated by Rome ; it was a local fanatic plot of those insane Franciscans in that area.
To say that Rome would have done this as a policy is wildly wrong.

The Croatian tragedy was nothing to do with the Vatican plotting with the Bolsheviks. That is insane, too!
Surely no objective observer would ever posit such a theory. It smacks of unbalanced conspiratorial thinking.

To say that the Catholics were next under the Jews in hastening the overthrow of the Russian Orthodox Empire is
way out there ! One can see the participation of hardened atheist Russian Jews who hated the monarchy and Orthodoxy.
But Russian Catholics were few and completely weak. They did not join the Menshevik or the Bolshevik parties or gravitate to the Left in any form.
Nor did a single Russian Catholic rise to a position of power in the early Soviet state. Many jews did, however. Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and so many more.
if they had, maybe there would a possible argument. But Catholics were also heavily persecuted by the Bolsheviks and the Soviets, as we know from reading the few firsthand accounts smuggled out to the West. How many others were never heard of by the outside world ?

If the writer himself emigrated, which was rare, he could publish the truth about Soviet loathing of Catholics, which arguably exceeded the Soviet hatred of Orthodoxy. The Soviets forced Catholics to become Orthodox, and took away their churches, handing those to the 'tame Orthodox' who had capitulated to Soviet power.
Look at Josyp Terelya who made it out of Ukraine to tell his story. It's been many years since i read his autobiography, but his suffering in prison for refusing to renounce the Papacy is still fixed in my memory.

Had the Popes of the early 20th century been the colluders with the bestial Bolsheviks, wouldn't Mr Terelya and the many other Catholic resisters of the Communist state have been ushered into the Kremlin's palace and lauded in Pravda for their collaboration? Oh I mean : for being 'heroes of the people' ? Wouldn't they have been mentioned in Soviet history, put on Soviet stamps, had monuments carved of their figures, plaques installed outside their places of residence, inscribed in history books as lessons for Soviet youth to emulate ? - ? I don't believe a single Catholic was ever recognized in an approving way by the brutal Soviet ,who hated all religions.

The whole theme of the video is loony. Gregory Decapolite has got to do better on this particular one. Most of his are so good. The chanting is great here.
But - research looked thin ; stray quotations which were taken out of context, one can safely assume, and were pressed into service to prove the reality of this incongruous notion of an alliance between the Catholic Church with its bitter enemy, Lenin.

PS - Don't forget the book "AA-1025" which purports to reveal how the Soviets worked hard to discredit and destroy the Vatican from within by the careful planting of maybe 1,000 trained communist agents into Catholic seminaries. Let's say that book is whimsical.
It surely did happen, as Bella Dodd, an American Communist who repented, revealed as well.