Pagan Worship and the End Times: Abortion, Euthanasia, etc.

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Pagan Worship and the End Times: Abortion, Euthanasia, etc.

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Barbara wrote:

Not to sidetrack the discussion but wanted to mention that there have been some statues venerated in Russia, even.
One which comes to mind is that of St Nil Stolobensky. I didn't see it myself but was informed about it by a woman pilgrim who had.

So there are a few statues - not well known - which are tucked away. But not popularized either for this reason of statues being looked down upon by Orthodoxy, or just not a major factor in the spiritual life of the country.
I think few people know about this particular statue which is reportedly small.

So, it seems that the pagan worship is coming back. It's been slowly edging it's way. Not surprising since paganism is a popular thing with this culture. Looks like it's turned full circle and we are living in the times of Godlessness, but in a worse degree. We really are living in the times that the first Christians had to suffer. You know, with this new Bill of same sex marriage and the belief that any life can be terminated, it feels like we are living beyond the ancient Roman Empire. We've surpassed them.

Am I presumptuous to say that we may be the last Christians of the end times? Remember what Christ said that the first will be last and the last will be first. It's not a matter of prestigious positions, but He was really talking about the fact that if we, at the last times endure the evil forces, then we will have gained more than the Christians of the firsts times. He was really talking about us. Just think about it. He was seeing us, in our time, when He was saying that. He was seeing all of us in the horrific state that we will have to live in this society that has become so evil.

Look at all that is allowed in this world. Abortion, Euthanasia, assisted suicide (with cooperation of doctors!), marriage of same sex, evolution lie, and many others that I can't think of now. These have all become laws. If we, as Christians, speak against it, we can be arrested and thrown in jail. We can lose our jobs. People will look at us as if we are insane.

Maybe life was confused and corrupted at the beginning of the 20th century, but they still had some common decency. Now, there is nothing left. It's really become insane/demonic.

Do you know what the real meaning of the mark of the beast is? The one on the forehead means that a person will accept the ideas of the evil concepts in this society. They will think the same way. The one on the hand means that they may not approve of the views, but they will still act with acceptance just to save their skins. These are the marks.

Sorry Barbara. I just get so upset because I see where society is heading and I'm just wondering when will the bomb drop in my life. We are moving towards great devastation. We must hold strong to our faith in God.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Wow!

Done.

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Fr Mark !

Are your feelings hurt ?? Please rejoin the discussion. You wrote an excellent summary at the beginning of the thread.
I was meaning to compliment it as very balanced and knowledgeable.

Thank you for your contribution, and please continue to do so !

Hoping you are not offended ?

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Barbara wrote:

Fr Mark !

Are your feelings hurt ?? Please rejoin the discussion. You wrote an excellent summary at the beginning of the thread.
I was meaning to compliment it as very balanced and knowledgeable.

Thank you for your contribution, and please continue to do so !

Hoping you are not offended ?

I agree. Father Mark, please do not leave us. Your contributions are awesome.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Maybe we could break off Joasia's post about the disgusting way that society has gone and start a new thread about that.

Apologies again, Fr Mark.

Topic has been split and moved into Misc.
Thanks for this suggestion, Barbara.

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Yes, perhaps that would be best.

Thank you for the compliments. I have no problem with a good debate, but only when we stay on topic.

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Good to see you back, Father !
That was my fault for derailing the thread. I take the blame. I had a feeling I should wait with my remarks about the statue.
But I was afraid I would neglect to come back to that thread so i mistakenly jumped in.

By the way, so that there is no misunderstanding, the St Nil Stolobensky statue is not on the order of a commanding statue like the famous one of Augustus. It depicts, I think I remember hearing, the saint seated meekly. The image I received was that he was a little hunched over, and the overall size is small, as I mentioned. So I dont think we have the glorious Empire period of Rome returned into a modern Russian Orthodox form !

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