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[jgress]

I haven't seen the Disney movie and won't comment. All I can say is that lewd innuendos you are projecting onto the text were invisible to me when I read them as a young boy. As I said before, you have no concrete evidence Lewis intended the Faun to represent sexual depravity and your interpretations only tell us about the kinds of things you want to see, not the things that are actually there.

[Cyprian]

I just thought that people ought to know that C.S. Lewis deliberately and willfully chose a lustful faun as his main character who lures an innocent little girl back to his abode with promises of sweets and treats, causing her to fall asleep for hours.

Eusebius of Caesarea:

[Diodorus]
"The he-goat, they say, has been deified, like Priapus among the Greeks, because of its generative organ, for this animal has the strongest propensity to lust; and that member of the body which is the cause of generation is rightly honoured, as being the source of animal nature. And speaking generally, not only the Egyptians, but also not a few other nations have consecrated that member in their initiatory rites, as the cause of the reproduction of living beings.

'The priests who succeed to the hereditary priesthoods in Egypt are initiated in the mysteries of this deity: the Pans also and the Satyrs, they say, are honoured among men for the same reason; and therefore most persons dedicate images of them in the temples very similar to a he-goat; for this animal is traditionally said to be extremely lustful."

Virgil (1st century B.C.):

"‘Twas with gift of such snowy wool, if we may trust the tale, that Pan, Arcadia’s god, charmed and beguiled you, O Luna, calling you to the depths of the woods; nor did you scorn his call."

“I rave; and I rape and I rip and I rend
Everlasting world without end!
Mannikin, maiden, maenad, man,
In the might of Pan.”
– Hymns to Pan (1929) by Satanist Aleister Crowley

St. Augustine: "There is, too, a very general rumor, which many have verified by their own experience, or which trustworthy persons who have heard the experience of others corroborate, that sylvans and fauns, who are commonly called "incubi," had often made wicked assaults upon women, and satisfied their lust upon them"

I also thought people should be aware that fauns, and satyrs and centaurs, all friends of the Pevensies in the Narnia series, are inhabitants of Babylon according to the Scriptures. See Isaiah chapters 13, 34, and Jeremiah 50:39.

How curious that Lewis decides to have these children befriend beasts of Babylon, including lustful fauns (pans) and satyrs. Then he has the girls ride "the great beast" Aslan, who like the devil, is a roaring lion.

Aslan and the children in Narnia engage in Bacchanalian drinking and dancing revelries with satyrs and Bacchus (Dionysus) the god of wine and drunkenness and orgies. Pan (Faunus) the horned devil goat-god, and his phallus are also worshiped in these festivals.

St. Gregory the Theologian - Fifth Oration

"Again the Castalian Fount has been silenced and is silent, and becomes no longer an oracular stream, but an object of ridicule: again a voiceless statue is Apollo: again is Daphne a shrub bewailed in fable: again is thy Bacchus a catamite, with a train of drunkards tied to his tail, as well as thy grand mystery, the Phallus; and a god abandoning himself to the beautiful Prosymnus..."

Fourth Oration:

"We, however, will not disturb their names, for we could not change them into any other name more ridiculous than what they have----their "Phalli" and their "Ithyphalli," their "Melampygi" and their "Apygi," their "Tragopan," and their venerable "Pan" himself, one god born out of many lovers, and receiving his disgrace for his name; for with them it is necessary either that the one and the most excellent Being should have sinned against many women, or else that he was the son of many fathers, and the most vile in his origin."

St. John Chrysostom Homily 81 on the Gospel According to St. Matthew

"For it were far better to be naked as to clothing, than being clad with the fruits of covetousness, to go about like them that celebrate the orgies for Bacchus. For like as they have on madmen's masks and clothes, so have these also."

St. Augustine - The City of God Book VI:

"To these things they add the women assigned to Liber, and the wine for exciting lust. Thus the Bacchanalia are celebrated with the utmost insanity, with respect to which Varro himself confesses that such things would not be done by the Bacchanals except their minds were highly excited."

Sozomen - The Ecclesiastical History

"About this period, the bishop of Alexandria, to whom the temple of Dionysus had, at his own request, been granted by the emperor, converted the edifice into a church. The statues were removed, the adyta were exposed; and, in order to cast contumely on the pagan mysteries, he made a procession for the display of these objects; the phalli, and whatever other object had been concealed in the adyta which really was, or seemed to be, ridiculous, he made a public exhibition of."

Do you see how the fathers testify that worship of the phallus and Pan were integral to the Dionysian temples and the Bacchanalian rituals?

So why did C.S. Lewis repeatedly have the children in his Narnia novels engaging in these drunken revelries (orgies) with lustful pans and satyrs?

If Aslan is supposedly figurative of Christ, doing such wonderful sacrificial things, how come the need for secrecy? Why at the end of the first book does the professor tell the children not to talk too much about their adventures in Narnia among themselves, and to not mention it to anyone else? Shameful things are kept a secret.

Are Christians supposed to keep the wonderful deeds of Christ a secret, or did Christ instruct us to preach it upon the housetops?

[tradbulwark]

Apparently that's how they wanted Mr. Tumnus, as Pan, to be understood.

Pan is the Devil, as Beelzebub is the Devil.

Pan, according to the Hellenic writers at the time (such as Plutarch), died around the time of the Crucifixion/Resurrection. The Crucifixion/Resurrection killed the Devil.

[jgress]

Moved tangent on knocking on wood here.