OCA Cathedral in NYC hosts ecumenical event with pagans

[Jean-Serge]

That is APPALLING what happened to Fr Theonas ! I had NEVER heard of that tragedy, or others, too.
It's good that the truth of the persecution of Old Calendarists has started to squeak out, past what must be formidable walls of secrecy.

I knew this story, it was never hidden.

[Isaakos]

That is APPALLING what happened to Fr Theonas ! I had NEVER heard of that tragedy, or others, too.
It's good that the truth of the persecution of Old Calendarists has started to squeak out, past what must be formidable walls of secrecy.

I knew this story, it was never hidden.

Where did you hear it Jean?

[Barbara]

What I meant was that the Greek State Church or maybe even the World Orthodox in general, if they knew about any of this [the latter could have been collaborators in this persecution, or perhaps a few hierarchs were informed about these operations kept a lid on information about this. They probably made sure that little or no whispers got out to the world beyond Greece. Probably very few New Calendarists in Greece itself knew about it.
Surely, they would have been outraged had they known, and protested to their hierarchs.
So I am wagering that it was one of those "inside jobs" where the people in the know were in agreement
about employing brutal tactics to stop the growth of the Old Calendarist movement. Perhaps, if this opposition was organized early enough, to nip it in the bud before it spread widely. Hence secrecy would have been the name of the game for the New Calendarist Greeks.

I didn't mean that our esteemed Euphrosynos Cafe members and readers were not in the know, Jean-Serge !

I obviously had never heard of any of those fierce physical attacks. I am still shocked.

To stomp on a chalice so hard that it would be flattened is breathtakingly evil !
I wish there were a picture of that chalice which Lydia says she heard is preserved by Abp Kallinikos.

[Maria]

What I meant was that the EP or maybe even the World Orthodox in general, if they knew about any of this,
hid this from the world beyond Greece. Probably very few New Calendarists even knew about it.
Surely, they would have been outraged had they known, and protested to their hierarchs.
So I am wagering that it was one of those "inside jobs" where the people in the know were in agreement
about employing brutal tactics to stop the growth of the Old Calendarist movement. Perhaps, if this opposition was organized early enough, to nip it in the bud before it spread widely. Hence secrecy would have been the name of the game for the New Calendarist Greeks.

I didn't mean that our esteemed Euphrosynos Cafe members and readers were not in the know !

I obviously had never heard of any of those fierce physical attacks. I am still shocked.

To stomp on a chalice so hard that it would be flattened is breathtakingly evil !
I wish there were a picture of that chalice which Lydia says she heard is preserved by Abp Kallinikos.

Until I read the life of St. Glicherie of Romania (posted on the HOTCA website at http://www.hotca.org/pdf/stglicherie.pdf) and that of St. Matthew the New Confessor of Greece (at http://genuineorthodoxchurch.com/The_Li ... fessor.pdf ), I had never heard about the brutal persecution and murder of Old Calendarists by the fanatical New Calendarists of Greece and Romania. Occasionally, mention was made of the death of some Old Calendarist monastics on Mt. Athos because they had been denied medical services. However, I was not aware of the extend of the brutal suppression of Old Calendarists by Freemasons and New Calendarists.

[Barbara]

Thanks for the information about the photos, Philaret. That makes sense, now.
One can SEE the haunted, tormented look on the face of the hieromonk.
[ He would be diagnosed with severe PTSD if this had happened in today's world. ]
Multiply that times - how many cases ?? do we have any estimates, Philaret ?
And one can imagine the deep damage done to those brave souls struggling for True Orthodoxy.
They deserve to be highlighted, and remembered with respect. Especially today, the Feast of the Translation of the Relics of St John Chrysostom, himself persecuted by the State [in the form of the wife of Byzantine Emperor Arcadius' wife Eudoxia] for his fearless preaching of the truth !

[Barbara]

Maria,

Oh, that explains it ! Masons were - what ? In league with the New Calendarists in enforcing the N>C.
Or, the Masons WERE the New Calendarists ? We know a few prominent Greek hierarchs were Masons.
But perhaps this dangerous secret society was more entrenched in the ranks of the Greek Church than is actually
known ?

This Met Joachim had been serving in Boston. Perhaps he was inducted THERE ? Of course not every Orthodox hierarch who served in America would have been susceptible to such approaches.
But maybe some Greeks did succumb, out of wish for popularity, to "fit in". Or, to cultivate personal connections with the East Coast elite, many of whom might have had social connections with this famous old city from Revolutionary War times ?
Or perhaps to secure help - or at the minimum, cooperation - from American movers and shakers for their flock, whether individually or collectively, such as raising funds for building churches or other activities ? Or to get laws changed to favor the Greek church in America ? These are SOME examples that pop into mind off the bat.

These links are surely worth examining by those better informed than I.

[Jean-Serge]

There's an Indian Orthodox Church very close to my house. Are the Oriental Orthodox any better off than the Eastern?

It seems to be a Malankara church; they are monophysites, not orthodox then.